Sorry, haste makes waste.

kingbee posts:

I misspoke. You are correct, Stalin wasn't a  Jew. He did control the Bolshevick party and government after Lenin's death.   

LEAUKI POSTS:

Agree.....The State Orthodox church was definitely anti-Catholic. Persecution of the Church would continue even through the Bolshevick Revolution of 1917 dethroned the Czar and denounced the Orthodox Chruch. In 1920, the Catholic bishops who had been expelled by the Czar in 1907, were allowed to return and organize a movement for reuniting Russians with the CC. The USSR government at first encouraged it as an aid for the complete destruction of the old Orthodox Chruch. But this was short-lived and under the Communist dictatorship of Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin who introduced their official propaganda of atheism, all Catholic clergy were sentenced to death for treason. CC property was confiscated and religious instruction was banned. Under the atheistic system of education, the elimination of illiteracy and destruction of Christianity went hand in hand.

Meanwhile, the world was being flooded with Soviet descriptions of its devotion to democracy.     

Actually Communists repressed all religion..under Communist morality, whatever promotes the cause of revolution is moral.

The Catholic Church has always declared the State exists primarily to safeguard and to further the exercise of natural rights. This is the opposite of Communism which is the arrogation of all human rights by a "politburo" under the domination of a Lenin or a Stalin.

History has confirmed that the Catholic Chruch is and has long been the one and only universal opponent of the Marxism anti-God philosophy which circumscribes the free exercise of natural rights. The CC has always condemned Communism and this has been evidenced by the fact that the Pope was condemned for opposition to Communism in the first paragraph of the Marxian credo, the Communist Manifesto issued in 1848.   

As do the communists. They just happen to believe in different "natural rights".

Which history is that? I seem to remember a history where Judaism, Islam, and non-Catholic Christian churches also opposed Marxist philosophy.

I know that the last Pope did a lot to achieve victory of communism. But he also did a lot to achieve victory over Creationism. Wouldn't be sure if you want to note him as an example.

Where did thid this bit of anti-semetic piece of information come from? and if Jews were hostile to Catholics they sure enough had reason to be.

Don't open that can of worms.

Asking Lula where her anti-Semitic information comes from leads to very dark places.

I have had that discussion with her over "Talmud quotes" she referred to.

Nor mine, hence why I ask questions.

I agree that in the end the Gov't spent a crap load during this time which definitely makes me wonder more of the long term.

I can see how the 'spending our way out of a recession' worked (short term) during this time with the demands of war.  The problem I do see is the long term debt that was incurred.  Just because 'spending our way out' may have worked then I'm concerned that we are going to reach a point where we go belly up from those debts. 

Since I consider the Gov't should run and behave more like a business, it should succomb to the budgeting practice that successful business follow.  I do not agree with this.  Oh we have a problem, let's spend our way out of it.  Sure over a short term a business may take out a loan or similar type of financing to restructure make itself more stable.  There are other points where businesses also have to pay that money back. If they don't they eventually succumb to their debt and are sold or go belly up. 

Obama is promising 600K new gov't jobs making the Gov't business entity even LARGER.

I'm rather concened.

I am waiting for the explaination of whefre the information that Stalin was a JEW and what source it came from.

I heard Obama saying "hopefully, private sector jobs"....but just like FDR it will be public.  

see that freshly painted wall over there mm?

oughta be dry one of these days.

MM WRITES:

LULA POSTS #57

You're statement is indefensible MM.

MM POSTS: #68

Really? What exactly did Catholics do to give reason for the hostility of Red Russia's Communist Jews?

What I said isn't anti-Semitic. It comes from my study of history, from talking to people who have empirical knowledge of Communism and from reading Scripture. The hostility of Jews to Christianity is due primarily to their refusal to accept Jesus as the Messias while the hostility of Bolshevists to Christianity is based upon denial of belief in God, of His eternal principles, and of man's inalienable right to practice religion.

Stalin was the head and leader of Red Russia, the USSR, the United Soviet Socialist Republic. I mistakenly thought Stalin was a Jew becasue a number of advocates of its pernicious doctrines were of Jewish parentage as were the leading persons who inaugarated Bolshevism. It's not easy to designate who and who are not Jews becasue in many instances in order to hide their natal origin, they changed their names. For example, Trotsky is Bronstein; Martoff is Zederbaum, Dan is Gurvitch, Parvu is Geldfand, Zinovyeff is Aplelbaum, Larin is Lurye, Ryazanoff is Goldenbach, and Ganezky is Furstenberg.

lula posts:

Note I used the word "universal" and with good reason.

Now, would you cite times and places in history when Judaism and Islam were opposed and critical of Lenin/Stalin's Communism?

yeah and douglas is demsky, curtis is schwarts, fine is feinberg and howard (both moe and curley) are horwitz.  as for stalin, it was the nazis who originally labeled stalin a jew and those who share their world view who've perpetuated the claim.

Interesting...I didn't know that.

how could the two not be opposed?  not for the reason you've claimed as much as an inevitable clash between two competing totalitarian factions.  otherwise why or how could the church have thrown its support behind franco and mussilini, or helped key nazis escape justice?  for more or less 1000 years, the church had no problem with monarchies in which the only right exercized was that of kings to whom it claimed to delegate power. 

ironic you characterize stalin and lenin as dominators. even more ironic that when members of either group engage in erroneous thinking, they'll either be excommunicated or excommunicized.

You are completely unaware of the history of Israel and Afghanistan, aren't you?

Even jokes about Judaism's relations to communism were legion in the Soviet Union and eastern Europe. And the war between the communists and the "mujahedeen" in Afghanistan has become relevant again in 2001.