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How soon people forget.
Published on December 27, 2008 By Moderateman In Current Events

In a new national poll from Russia, Dictator and Mass murderer Joseph Stalin is in the running for the number one slot.

Remember now this man by conservative estimates slaughtered 25 million people and sent countless millions to slave labor camps {called Gulags}

The poll claims Stalin acted in a "rational" MANNER while in charge of Russia from 1928 to 1953, the thing most remembered was that Stalin "saved" the Russian people from Hitler, another mass murderer whos atrocities pale in comparrison to Stalin.

How soon people forget the midnight raids on homes where people disappeared, never to be seen again, where any form of free speech was instantly and severely stopped and the speaker either executed or sentenced as a political prisoner and sent to Siberia to work in SLAVE labor camps till they died.

The only comparrison I can make in an American way would be to have the BTK OR THE GREEN RIVER KILLER being declared the single best role model for children in the United States.

How sick is this?

Stalin's secret police were so feared that just the mention of them could tear households apart, the ruthlessness of the KGB far outstripped our own CIA.

When Russia disbanded the KGB the members simply used their knowledge to go Gangster, the Russian Mafiya is one of the most feared criminal organizations on the planet due to their training while in the KGB, they used their connections they had as spies to get them going and have never looked back and we have Joseph Stalin to thank for this legacy too.

Religion was repressed, this was probably the only GOOD thing Stalin did.


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on Dec 30, 2008

I think it was Leauki (not re-reading all the posts) that said we remember the greatness and gloss over the pain.

It sounds like something I might say.

 

on Dec 30, 2008

imagine who the three greatest americans might be if chosen by those who not only watch,

Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, and Tom Hanks - Yea, that's the ticket!

on Dec 30, 2008

Here's more "good" news today concerning Russia:  Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev has signed a law extending presidential terms from four years to six, the Kremlin said Tuesday, a move seen as paving the way for Vladimir Putin's return to the presidency.

Sure we all seen it coming and this is little surprise, but what are the Russian people thinking. Don't they know the sequel is rarely better than the original?

on Dec 30, 2008

little-whip
FDR took a bad recession and turned it into a depression with his irresponsible fiscal policies. Uhmm no.  That was Herbert Hoover, who served a single term, 3/4/1929 - 3/3/1933.FDR was the President who got us out of the depression, and was so greatly esteemed by the American people that we elected him FOUR times.

Yup you nailed this one whip the great depression started in 1929, Hoovers beginning, FDR saved America with programs like the WPA.

on Dec 30, 2008

Nitro Cruiser
Here's more "good" news today concerning Russia:  Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev has signed a law extending presidential terms from four years to six, the Kremlin said Tuesday, a move seen as paving the way for Vladimir Putin's return to the presidency.Sure we all seen it coming and this is little surprise, but what are the Russian people thinking. Don't they know the sequel is rarely better than the original?

Good to see that stupidity is not confined to just America.

on Dec 31, 2008

It's an entirely different culture at the end of the day, but yes, Stalin was just as bad if not worse than Hitler. What is unfortunate was Trumans and Churchill's tolerance of him in order to finish off the Germans. One can only sympathise in the sense that what else could they of done? Especially when towards the end Stalin promised assistance with the war in the Pacific.

Putin's a puppy dog in comparison, yet he totally lacks dignity and is nothing more than a thug at the end of the day. Never the less Russians still revere him, probably because when we tried to sort out their economy after the collapse of Communisim we made such a hash of it, sending the country into turmoil (and subsequently bringing great shame to these people), that eventually they would be willing to overlook certain 'issues' if the person responsible for them could promise to restore a backbone to the country.

Of course Putin has been fortunate in the sense that Russia is litterally floating on natural resources, so this is no doubt going to prolong his grip over Russia, and for those who think that just because he's now the prime minister he's not the one running the show, your sadly mistaken, look closely enough and you can almost see the strings attached to Mr Medvedev.

on Dec 31, 2008

FDR saved America with programs like the WPA.

MM I'm not so sure that he saved America as is widely held. I recall reading (can't remember where) that unemployment remained high until the war began. It was the war that brought the country out of the depression. Fraud, waste, and corruption were rife among many of these work programs. Where Roosevelt was successful was he did something, create and expand entitlement programs. Hoover did nothing. IMO had WWII not occurred the depression would have dragged on. Roosevelt was clever, ending prohibition helped get him elected, entitlement programs helped him get re-elected, threat of war got him his third term, and continuance of the war his fourth (but incomplete). I don't think he could have pulled it off if he had todays media available. I know he's the Democrats knight in shinning armor, but he had a bit of luck on his side.

on Dec 31, 2008

MM,

 

One must remember that much of Stalin's playbook came from his predecessor V. Lenin.  Lenin put a heavy emphasis on education and primarily education reform.  They controlled what was being taught in the school systems. 


After the final collapse of the USSR in the early 1900's much of the education system still remained.  This could be similarly compared to our media of today of Barak Obama (thou shalt not oppose). 

It is also important to point out (as many already have) that any political opposition were arrested and either jailed or sent to the labour camps (ie Gulags).  My wife's grandfather was in the politcal prison during WWII (he was a Polish Jew).  He somehow managed to change his name in prison to a more Russian sounding last name.  He was later released and sent to the east where many of the political prisoners were (near Siberia). Her father was born and raised near the Ural mountains before later moving to Kyrgyzstan.

I suspect two things are the reason for Stalin even being considered for National Hero.  The education systems and those that opposed were either killed or left.

on Dec 31, 2008

Putin's a puppy dog in comparison, yet he totally lacks dignity and is nothing more than a thug at the end of the day. Never the less Russians still revere him, probably because when we tried to sort out their economy after the collapse of Communisim we made such a hash of it, sending the country into turmoil (and subsequently bringing great shame to these people), that eventually they would be willing to overlook certain 'issues' if the person responsible for them could promise to restore a backbone to the country.

The main difference between Putin and Stalin is the Gulags and the people disappearing.  As you said Putin is very much still a thug.  The KGB is very much still alive just maybe more descreet.  The KGB continues to show it's ugly head globally.  A friend of mine was telling about some issues over in India involving KGB.

The Russian people remember Stalin and think of Putin as people who made Russia a world power and look past how they got there (through exploitation).

on Dec 31, 2008

MM I'm not so sure that he saved America as is widely held. I recall reading (can't remember where) that unemployment remained high until the war began.

You are correct.  And indeed, I did not say that FDR got us into the recession, but he turned it into a depression and prolonged it with his policies.  The thing that got us out of it was the War (do we thank Tojo and Hitler for that????).

on Jan 01, 2009

Scottehon Dec 31, 2008

 

Putin's a puppy dog in comparison, yet he totally lacks dignity and is nothing more than a thug at the end of the day. Never the less Russians still revere him, probably because when we tried to sort out their economy after the collapse of Communisim we made such a hash of it, sending the country into turmoil (and subsequently bringing great shame to these people), that eventually they would be willing to overlook certain 'issues' if the person responsible for them could promise to restore a backbone to the country.
 

Putin just cannot get away wuith the stuff Stalin did due to 24 hour news, something Stalin never had to contend with.

 

 

It's an entirely different culture at the end of the day, but yes, Stalin was just as bad if not worse than Hitler. What is unfortunate was Trumans and Churchill's tolerance of him in order to finish off the Germans. One can only sympathise in the sense that what else could they of done? Especially when towards the end Stalin promised assistance with the war in the Pacific.

 

Truman was just following FDR"S policy that was made with Churchill and Stalin at Yalstin{city spelling?}

on Jan 01, 2009

Nitro Cruiser
FDR saved America with programs like the WPA.MM I'm not so sure that he saved America as is widely held. I recall reading (can't remember where) that unemployment remained high until the war began. It was the war that brought the country out of the depression. Fraud, waste, and corruption were rife among many of these work programs. Where Roosevelt was successful was he did something, create and expand entitlement programs. Hoover did nothing. IMO had WWII not occurred the depression would have dragged on. Roosevelt was clever, ending prohibition helped get him elected, entitlement programs helped him get re-elected, threat of war got him his third term, and continuance of the war his fourth (but incomplete). I don't think he could have pulled it off if he had todays media available. I know he's the Democrats knight in shinning armor, but he had a bit of luck on his side.

Fdr did well enough to be elected 4 {four} times, that says something about the job he did under the worse of circumstances.

on Jan 01, 2009

 

Adventure-Dudeon Dec 31, 2008

MM,

One must remember that much of Stalin's playbook came from his predecessor V. Lenin. Lenin put a heavy emphasis on education and primarily education reform. They controlled what was being taught in the school systems.

Much like America has been doing for decades upon decades. I remember when the entire "black history" took less than one page in school, no mention of what we did to the Japanese in WW2 on and on, I think all countries write REVISIONIST HISTORY and teach it as truth in school.

on Jan 02, 2009

Much like America has been doing for decades upon decades. I remember when the entire "black history" took less than one page in school, no mention of what we did to the Japanese in WW2 on and on, I think all countries write REVISIONIST HISTORY and teach it as truth in school.

I don't know if it's taught as 'truth' per se but rather "they aren't gonna know anything different."  Sadly, it wasn't until college that I learned how much involvement the US really had before and during WWII. 

Here's an article about a book on IBM and the Nazis LINK

 

on Jan 02, 2009

Fdr did well enough to be elected 4 {four} times, that says something about the job he did under the worse of circumstances.

Sure, if you believe pandering is the correct approach. In many cases it is from the peoples point of view. First term, FDR promises to and does repeal Prohibition - I would have voted for him for that. Second term, FDR promises and creates jobs (WPA), great if you don't have a job. He also taxes the rich and upper middle class more (sound familiar yet) to pay for projects (and keeps the country in depression as a by product) also the beginning of social security entitlements. Third term, FDR promises to keep US boys from fighting in Europe (Japan has other ideas/ Fourth term War patriotism keeps FDR in office, the war also brings the US out of the depression. I/d say entitlements and excellent timing of world events kept FDR in office. Pandering got Obama elected, lets see if fate will intervene on his behalf as well.

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