Joseph Stalin, Russia's National HERO!

How soon people forget.

Published on December 27, 2008 By Moderateman In Current Events

In a new national poll from Russia, Dictator and Mass murderer Joseph Stalin is in the running for the number one slot.

Remember now this man by conservative estimates slaughtered 25 million people and sent countless millions to slave labor camps {called Gulags}

The poll claims Stalin acted in a "rational" MANNER while in charge of Russia from 1928 to 1953, the thing most remembered was that Stalin "saved" the Russian people from Hitler, another mass murderer whos atrocities pale in comparrison to Stalin.

How soon people forget the midnight raids on homes where people disappeared, never to be seen again, where any form of free speech was instantly and severely stopped and the speaker either executed or sentenced as a political prisoner and sent to Siberia to work in SLAVE labor camps till they died.

The only comparrison I can make in an American way would be to have the BTK OR THE GREEN RIVER KILLER being declared the single best role model for children in the United States.

How sick is this?

Stalin's secret police were so feared that just the mention of them could tear households apart, the ruthlessness of the KGB far outstripped our own CIA.

When Russia disbanded the KGB the members simply used their knowledge to go Gangster, the Russian Mafiya is one of the most feared criminal organizations on the planet due to their training while in the KGB, they used their connections they had as spies to get them going and have never looked back and we have Joseph Stalin to thank for this legacy too.

Religion was repressed, this was probably the only GOOD thing Stalin did.

Comments (Page 4)

kingbee

on Jan 02, 2009

great if you don't have a job

with unemployment at 25% (i'm uncertain whether famers who were tossed or blown off their land were counted as unemployed rather than just dispossessed), i'm not sure 'pandering' is accurate--unless, of course, you also consider it pandering to create a market for manufacturers and retailers from those who were formerly unable to buy anything.

kingbee

on Jan 02, 2009

Pandering got Obama elected,

at one time, i liked what and whom john mccain seemed to be. then came the day he caved to the forces of GOP theocracy and decided to forgo principle for pragmatism. by late last summer, he was very clearly willing to do or say anything he felt might win him the presidency.

mccain kissing evangelical ass was pandering of the sort and degree unmatched by any potential candidate for the office this year--including all them masses of wannabenominees--of any party.

until being annointed by the religious right is no longer a prerequisite for the republican nomination there'll be others in his wake.

Moderateman

on Jan 04, 2009

Adventure-Dude

comment 46

Much like America has been doing for decades upon decades. I remember when the entire "black history" took less than one page in school, no mention of what we did to the Japanese in WW2 on and on, I think all countries write REVISIONIST HISTORY and teach it as truth in school.I don't know if it's taught as 'truth' per se but rather "they aren't gonna know anything different." Sadly, it wasn't until college that I learned how much involvement the US really had before and during WWII. Here's an article about a book on IBM and the Nazis LINK

We were taught that the United States were giving Great Britain ships and supplies before we got involved in WW2, but that was all we learned in high school.

Moderateman

on Jan 04, 2009

Nitro Cruiser

comment 47

Fdr did well enough to be elected 4 {four} times, that says something about the job he did under the worse of circumstances.Sure, if you believe pandering is the correct approach. In many cases it is from the peoples point of view. First term, FDR promises to and does repeal Prohibition - I would have voted for him for that. Second term, FDR promises and creates jobs (WPA), great if you don't have a job. He also taxes the rich and upper middle class more (sound familiar yet) to pay for projects (and keeps the country in depression as a by product) also the beginning of social security entitlements. Third term, FDR promises to keep US boys from fighting in Europe (Japan has other ideas/ Fourth term War patriotism keeps FDR in office, the war also brings the US out of the depression. I/d say entitlements and excellent timing of world events kept FDR in office. Pandering got Obama elected, lets see if fate will intervene on his behalf as well.

While I admire FDR, truth is truth and he was the king of Pandering, but it was necessary at the time.

Dr Guy

on Jan 05, 2009

While I admire FDR, truth is truth and he was the king of Pandering, but it was necessary at the time.

Many still do, and he is guiding Obama now. It is time we put the myth to rest. No one ever spent their way into prosperity. The US did not 70 years ago, and will not now.

Moderateman

on Jan 05, 2009

little-whip

comment 54

No one ever spent their way into prosperity. The US did not 70 years ago, and will not now.Yes we did 'spend our way into prosperity.' It was called WW2.

Good point, except some of that spending was in the blood of the finest of my Fathers generation.

Adventure-Dude

on Jan 05, 2009

Yes we did 'spend our way into prosperity.' It was called WW2.

We were taught that the United States were giving Great Britain ships and supplies before we got involved in WW2,

LW, could it be because the other countries buying supplies from the US, before we entered, that acted as the catalyst for bringing towards prosperity?

lulapilgrim

on Jan 05, 2009

MM WRITES:

.... Russia, Dictator and Mass murderer Joseph Stalin is in the running for the number one slot.
.........Remember now this man by conservative estimates slaughtered 25 million people and sent countless millions to slave labor camps {called Gulags}
.......How soon people forget the midnight raids on homes where people disappeared, never to be seen again, where any form of free speech was instantly and severely stopped and the speaker either executed or sentenced as a political prisoner and sent to Siberia to work in SLAVE labor camps till they died.

........Stalin's secret police were so feared that just the mention of them could tear households apart, the ruthlessness of the KGB far outstripped our own CIA.

Religion was repressed, this was probably the only GOOD thing Stalin did.

MM,

Ah, no. Practicing religion is an inherent inalienable right from God that no man can ever take away....so, what Stalin did against religion wasn't good at all. There is nothing but nothing good about Communism. So, sorry about that...you are rambling with a twisted mind on this one!

From the point of view of religion both Jews and Bolshevists are hostile to Christianity though not to the same degree or for the same reason. Stalin was both and he deliberately and systematically repressed Catholicism.

And why was Catholicism repressed? To propagate atheism in its place and because the Church was the only thing present to stand in the way and check the power of the advance of Lenin's (Leon Trotsky) Bolshevick Socialist Revolution, in other words, Communism.

Communism brought about immense suffereing and 60 million people in the USSR alone died as victims of fanatical Communists. They were regarded as nothing, nobody's, who were expendable in a quest for a classless society. The Communist re-education centers were all about convincing people there is no God.

Btw, Stalin was a pseudonym meaning "man of steel" by Iosif Visarionovich Dzhugashvili.

lulapilgrim

on Jan 05, 2009

one more thing: i didn't know this was a tv contest rather than a poll.

Well, there are reasons for things and this helps explain why Stalin was chosen....

Dr Guy

on Jan 05, 2009

LW, could it be because the other countries buying supplies from the US, before we entered, that acted as the catalyst for bringing towards prosperity?

Those that do not know......

We did not spend our way to prosperity. We sure did sell it though. All those tanks, guns, bombs and ships were BOUGHT. From private companies that paid workers. It was not a government handout. The level of ignorance on the difference is just astounding.

lulapilgrim

on Jan 05, 2009

Dr.Guy posts #30

First, let me clarify that I do not think FDR is anything like Stalin (I know some old time liberals are going to jump to that conclusion). But in a way, the US is doing the same thing with FDR as Russia is doing with Stalin. FDR took a bad recession and turned it into a depression with his irresponsible fiscal policies. Yet he is lionized. Why? Because he was a strong leader who united the country during the War and lead us to victory (he did the one thing that no president has since then - allowed his generals to run the battles in the field).
FDR, unintentionally unlike Stalin, adversely affected virtually every family in the US. Yet ask a member of the greatest generation, and he is their hero. I think it was Leauki (not re-reading all the posts) that said we remember the greatness and gloss over the pain. Human nature. But it is worrisome. And brings into question why people dont understand that without vigilence, we could have another Hitler. He did many bad things, but he took a crushed nation to the top, and that is what many will remember, the sufferers of his policies long since having died off.

Well said Dr.G.

FDR is way over-rated. For those who disagree, I recommend reading the Politically Incorrect Guide to American History. Anyone who critically examines FDR's administration and New Deal liberalsim will understand that he initiated the government welfare state and all resultant problems we still have today. He was responsible for massive government intervention in agriculture to the point that government actually pays farmers for cutting back on production or for producing nothing!

His economic strategy for recovery failed producing hardship and unemployment which averaged 18% from 1933 to 1940. We could easily claim Socialism was born here in the US with his anti-business programs, his boost to organized labor which actually impoverished society, and his massive spending projects which created public sector jobs funded by taking money from tax payers and giving it to newly created public sector jobs.

Like Clinton, FDR was a serial adulteror with Margeurite "Missy" Lehand and Lucy Mercer Rutherford. Turns out it was Mrs. Rutherford and not Eleanor who was there with him in Warm Springs, Georgia when he died in April of 1945.

Put not your trust in men in high places.

kingbee

on Jan 05, 2009

both Jews and Bolshevists are hostile to Christianity though not to the same degree or for the same reason. Stalin was both

stalin may have been a lotta things but he wasn't jewish--except to those who persist (out of ignorance or deliberate prevarication) to spread that lil bit of anti-semitic nonsense. same goes for those who claim jews are hostile to christianity.

Leauki

on Jan 06, 2009

The former Christian elite of Russia oppressed Jews and the poor for centuries. I can understand hostility against them.

Catholicism doesn't come into it. Russia is Orthodox.

And why was Catholicism repressed? To propagate atheism in its place and because the Church was the only thing present tostand in the way and check the power of the advance of Lenin's (Leon Trotsky) Bolshevick Socialist Revolution, in other words, Communism.

Catholicism was repressed to propagate Orthodoxy under the Tsar. The communists repressed it for pretty much the same reason (it was a foreign influence).

But considering how Christians behaved in Russia, it is no wonder that atheism was so popular among the communists.

stalin may have been a lotta things but he wasn't jewish

As if that was something you (or reality) could decide. Of course he was "Jewish".

Dr Guy

on Jan 06, 2009

As if that was something you (or reality) could decide. Of course he was "Jewish".

What is the source of this claim? I know Lenin was 1/4 Jewish, but I have never heard that Stalin was. Just curious.

Leauki

on Jan 06, 2009

What is the source of this claim? I know Lenin was 1/4 Jewish, but I have never heard that Stalin was. Just curious.

Missed sarcasm there, Doc.

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