Why does it always come down to ABORTION?

One issue ain't so damn important!

Published on September 13, 2005 By Moderateman In US Domestic

It seems no matter what else is happening in the world and America, hurricanes, disease, war, huge gas prices, the only thing that matters to the left is the abortion issue, or thinking of ways to Trash Bush.

Judge Roberts has incredible credentials, a brilliant mind a sense of how a REAL JUDGE should behave {no legislating from the bench} interpreting the law as written and adhering to precedent.

But the left with no real policies or solutions are hammering away on the abortion issue! Why is this damn thing so important to the loony left? I guess that's the only way the left can continue to get support from its base! I do mean base in both senses of the word BTW.

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The above pretty much defines the Democratic BASE.

Comments (Page 5)

Moderateman

on Sep 13, 2005

#57 by ParaTed2k
Tuesday, September 13, 2005

really I ment this to be about the left grilling roberts on abortion while so much more important stuff is kicked to the curb.

Sorry MM, your blog, your rules. I'll end discussing abortion if you wish.

nah ted fire away my cyberfriend.

Moderateman

on Sep 13, 2005

58 by Demosthenes Locke
Tuesday, September 13, 2005

Point taken, and well made para. By the way I wasn't taking a position in my statement, just opposing for the sake of discussion.

Sorry to have started the hijack Mod.

tis ok, hojacking allowed here. {smile}

Moderateman

on Sep 13, 2005

59 by Myrrander
Tuesday, September 13, 2005

To many of us "base, abominable, etc. etc." people over here in lefty-land, the right to choose is representative of the larger right to privacy. We don't want the government in our bedrooms, in our living rooms, or even in our body cavities.

here we agree I do not want gov, in my bedroom either or my home period.

Moderateman

on Sep 13, 2005

WOW what a great discussion with such passion. thank you all.

elie

MM

Rightwinger

on Sep 13, 2005

If we're going to make this a religious discussion (if it involves souls, that is, then that takes it beyond the realm of science and politics), it might be good to remember that the bible says that God knew any of us before we were born.
This would indicate to me that your soul is already 'there', in Heaven, waiting for the 'poof'.
If I were as eminently practical as an omnipotent God would seem to be, I'd insert it on conception. That's just me, of course. The 'poof' (I like that term, Doc...let's keep it!) could happen at any time, but since God loves us and wants us to be complete people, I'd think it happens when the fertilization takes place. All speculation, of course......

Moderateman

on Sep 13, 2005

Reply By: RightwingerPosted: Tuesday, September 13, 2005If we're going to make this a religious discussion (if it involves souls, that is, then that takes it beyond the realm of science and politics), it might be good to remember that the bible says that God knew any of us before we were born. This would indicate to me that your soul is already 'there', in Heaven, waiting for the 'poof'. If I were as eminently practical as an omnipotent God would seem to be, I'd insert it on conception. That's just me, of course. The 'poof' (I like that term, Doc...let's keep it!) could happen at any time, but since God loves us and wants us to be complete people, I'd think it happens when the fertilization takes place. All speculation, of course......

it's all spec, rightwinger. no one can prove or disprove the exsistence of a "soul" I choose to believe we have a soul,

Dr Guy

on Sep 13, 2005

Now THAT is a good question. When does the body become the vessel for the soul? Is intellect needed, which means the formation of a brain. Is a physical body required? A fully formed vessel to carry the soul.

Is the formation of four cells all that is required? This could be fun.

I give you an insightful. You did not fall for the trap, but turned it around on me. Very good. Now we have to decide who blogs on it first. Let me make a note as I will not have time for a couple of weeks. if you do write an article on it, send me a link phillipray2002@yahoo.com

Well done!

Dr Guy

on Sep 13, 2005

Ha ha ha--until me--and then HC chimed in (I believe I didn't do one of those gender mistakes there, did I , HC?.

I know Shades, I just had to get you on that one.

Cause you never make mistakes!

Dr Guy

on Sep 13, 2005

I was asking InfoGeek, but you are welcome to respond - if you believe in the Human soul. And there is no proof, hence the beleif.

Dr Guy

on Sep 13, 2005

I think they have souls inserted on conception.

Then all abortion is murder. It cannot be any other way.

drmiler

on Sep 13, 2005

You see, abortion is simply the tip of the iceberg when it comes to reproductive rights and there is a great fear in the pro-choice camp that any whittling away of the rights will mean the gradual elimination of all rights-- and that includes access to birth control (how many insurance companies cover perscriptions of viagra but not the pill?)

Okay shades, I'll give you this one. But in turn answer a question for me. How many insurance companies cover the cost of rubbers?

Dr Guy

on Sep 13, 2005

Oops, we did get carried away. But one of the more civil discussions on the subject, dont you think?

shadesofgrey

on Sep 13, 2005

Ok, I met my deadline...

Are you asking for a public policy stance, or my personal belief--because I believe the two have been conflated. I do not know of any scientific procedure that will prove the existence of a soul--but my point is, that I have not been convinced that it is a human life.

I was asking InfoGeek, but you are welcome to respond - if you believe in the Human soul. And there is no proof, hence the beleif.

Actually, you quoted me when you asked the question--IG entered the conversation later.

I have yet to be convinced that the fetus has a soul.

Do people have souls? The Living ones. If so, when does the poof happen?

That's why this is all a farce to begin with. Who cares if Roe v. Wade is in "danger"? It's a judgement of moral ethics

I concur that it is a judgement of moral ethics--however, I think that, for those of us who believe that it may be a sliding scale of removing reproductive rights, there is every reason to care if RvW is in danger. For some, the issue begins and ends with abortion--but for those of us who believe that it is the starting point for other reproductive rights--we care deeply when RvW is challenged.

If I were as eminently practical as an omnipotent God would seem to be, I'd insert it on conception. /quote]

Well, that's what you would do, but St. Augustine had a different idea of what an omnipotent God would do, and I would venture a guess that there would be as many opinions as people...

Dr Guy

on Sep 13, 2005

No, because a new born has a soul.

When does it get it! I know you have to run, so I will ask the question again.

shadesofgrey

on Sep 13, 2005

Okay shades, I'll give you this one. But in turn answer a question for me. How many insurance companies cover the cost of rubbers?

That falls under my argument--birth control (of a variety of types) is not covered (for the most part), but viagra is. Seems like we've got some priorities messed up.

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