America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~
One issue ain't so damn important!
Published on September 13, 2005 By Moderateman In US Domestic
It seems no matter what else is happening in the world and America, hurricanes, disease, war, huge gas prices, the only thing that matters to the left is the abortion issue, or thinking of ways to Trash Bush.

Judge Roberts has incredible credentials, a brilliant mind a sense of how a REAL JUDGE should behave {no legislating from the bench} interpreting the law as written and adhering to precedent.

But the left with no real policies or solutions are hammering away on the abortion issue! Why is this damn thing so important to the loony left? I guess that's the only way the left can continue to get support from its base! I do mean base in both senses of the word BTW.

Main Entry: base
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: vulgar
Synonyms: abject, abominable, cheap, coarse, common, contemptible, corrupt, depraved, despicable, disgraceful, dishonorable, disreputable, foul, grovelling, humble, ignoble, immoral, indelicate, loathsome, lowly, mean, menial, offensive, paltry, pitiful, plebeian, poor, scandalous, servile, shameful, shoddy, sleazy, sordid, sorry, squalid, trashy, ugly, unworthy, vile, worthless, wretched

The above pretty much defines the Democratic BASE.

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on Sep 13, 2005
28 by ParaTed2k
Tuesday, September 13, 2005


From listening, I'm starting to wonder whose hearing it is... Judge Roberts or the pedophile lover Justice Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg? Someone needs to smack Sen. Biden up side the head and remind him that Justice Ginsberg is not the U.S. Constitution.


Biden as a leader hahahahahahah snorttttttt oh God, what was I saying? oh yeh biden is an idiot and a perfect example of the the left will continue to sink into obscurity.
on Sep 13, 2005
Baker, can you prove to me that it is an unborn child, and not a mass of cells? If I take it out of its environment will it not just die? Was it even alive in the first place?

It's an argument of semantics and gut feel on both sides. It's a pretty big grey area, and as long as anyone says that they'd be willing to accept the other sides reasoning if only it could be proven, no accord will ever be reached. In all likelihood, no one's right and everyone's right, because it's too philosophical of a question to have a rigidly defined answer. Everyone's definition of it is based on part science, part belief, and part finger to the wind.
on Sep 13, 2005

Reply By: shadesofgreyPosted: Tuesday, September 13, 2005
It's interesting to me that only men responded to this article.

You're a man?????

on Sep 13, 2005

I have yet to be convinced that the fetus has a soul.

Do people have souls?  The Living ones.  If so, when does the poof happen?

on Sep 13, 2005

Baker, can you prove to me that it is an unborn child, and not a mass of cells? If I take it out of its environment will it not just die? Was it even alive in the first place?

If you take a post partum fetus out of its environment, will it survive?  And we are talking about a difference of environments, not different locations.

on Sep 13, 2005
Do people have souls? The Living ones. If so, when does the poof happen?


Now THAT is a good question. When does the body become the vessel for the soul? Is intellect needed, which means the formation of a brain. Is a physical body required? A fully formed vessel to carry the soul.

Is the formation of four cells all that is required? This could be fun.

IG
on Sep 13, 2005
You're a man?????


Ha ha ha--until me--and then HC chimed in (I believe I didn't do one of those gender mistakes there, did I , HC?.

Do people have souls? The Living ones. If so, when does the poof happen?


Are you asking for a public policy stance, or my personal belief--because I believe the two have been conflated. I do not know of any scientific procedure that will prove the existence of a soul--but my point is, that I have not been convinced that it is a human life.

Fine...leave MY tax dollars out of it, is all I ask!

Ok, as soon as you stop using my tax dollars to pay for military equipment that is used against civilian populations in the West Bank and Gaza. You see, we all pay taxes, and there are programs that our government runs that I don't particularly support either...but that's one of the things about living in a society--sometimes our taxes go to fund programs we don't personally agree with or want.
on Sep 13, 2005
Ok, as soon as you stop using my tax dollars to pay for military equipment that is used against civilian populations in the West Bank and Gaza.


umm, I'm not in charge of Military Spending, sorry!

Frankly, I don't think the government SHOULD be used as a universal bank account (I'm Libertarian, remember?), and these two examples perfectly illustrate why!
on Sep 13, 2005
32 by Demosthenes Locke
Tuesday, September 13, 2005


Baker, can you prove to me that it is an unborn child, and not a mass of cells? If I take it out of its environment will it not just die? Was it even alive in the first place?

It's an argument of semantics and gut feel on both sides. It's a pretty big grey area, and as long as anyone says that they'd be willing to accept the other sides reasoning if only it could be proven, no accord will ever be reached. In all likelihood, no one's right and everyone's right, because it's too philosophical of a question to have a rigidly defined answer. Everyone's definition of it is based on part science, part belief, and part finger to the wind.


excatly and both opinions should carry equal weight.!
on Sep 13, 2005
34 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, September 13, 2005


have yet to be convinced that the fetus has a soul.

Do people have souls? The Living ones. If so, when does the poof happen?


I think they have souls inserted on conception.
on Sep 13, 2005
umm, I'm not in charge of Military Spending, sorry!


that was precisely my point--I'm not in charge of Health and Human Services spending, either, now am I? But the way you wrote your post implied that I was, and that I support the use of government funds for abortions. Hmm...quite the assumption, doncha think?
on Sep 13, 2005
" I have yet to be convinced that the fetus has a soul. "


Myrrander has yet to be convinced that I have a soul. The whole sentience/soul criterea opens a nasty can of worms, huh? I couldn't prove that YOU have a soul any more than I could prove that a fetus has one.

" Baker, can you prove to me that it is an unborn child, and not a mass of cells? If I take it out of its environment will it not just die? Was it even alive in the first place?"


You are just a mass of cells, that taken out of your habitable environment would die. Babies, aren't sentient or self-sustaining. Leave one alone on a table for more than a day or two and it dies too. How long does something need to be able to last left alone on a table?

In terms of a true definition of life, I think it is silly to even debate. Of course a fetus is alive. I can be jailed for drowning newborn puppies that are no more sentient or self-sustaining than a fetus.
on Sep 13, 2005
Hmm...quite the assumption, doncha think?


Actually, my statement was made against the prochoice lobby in general. For many (not all, by a longshot)of them, it IS a matter of federal funding when it all comes down to it, and that is someting I DO not, and WILL not support!
on Sep 13, 2005
In terms of a true definition of life, I think it is silly to even debate. Of course a fetus is alive.


Did you not just chide me for "pretending we all agree" and then proceed to do the very same thing? You believe that a fetus is alive--but there is no "of course" about it. For as elementary as it seems to you that it is a living being, it is just as elementary to me that it is not.


Actually, my statement was made against the prochoice lobby in general.


I'll take your word that that was your intent--but your statement was actually made in response to (and you even quoted it) my statement that was clearly my personal views.

Personally, the right to choose what I do with my own body is central to my political affliations. It's not a method for grand-standing the political area, or throwing a wrench in an otherwise effective political structure--it is something that honestly effects me and my rights


Fine...leave MY tax dollars out of it, is all I ask!


on Sep 13, 2005
shades? question, if somehow the feds took the right of abortion away how would that change how you think and vote?
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