Having re-read it you're right it does. But you'll have to admit that viagra is not nor could it be any form of birth control. It's made to help a medical problem that a lot of men suffer from.

Quiet the opposite of birth control actually--so we have perscription coverage for men to be able to have sex long after their bodies are capable of doing so, but we won't cover birth control. Seems a bit strange to me.

Dr. Guy--I'm not ignoring your question--but my answer is that I honestly don't know. I've thought about it a lot, and I see the reasoning on both sides. It's not a question that I can answer.

#107 by shadesofgrey Wednesday, September 14, 2005

Quiet the opposite of birth control actually--so we have perscription coverage for men to be able to have sex long after their bodies are capable of doing so, but we won't cover birth control. Seems a bit strange to me.

I find it sad that things that affect men are covered, while things that affect women are not. I did not cite examples because they are already cited.

I think it is hypocritical that some think "a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body" is the same as "a woman's right to choose what to do with an unborn child." As if the child is universally accepted as being some vestigial organ until it pops out.

Well said.

Baker, can you prove to me that it is an unborn child, and not a mass of cells? If I take it out of its environment will it not just die? Was it even alive in the first place?

If I take you out of your enviornment will you not just die? Are you alive in the first place?

Quiet the opposite of birth control actually--so we have perscription coverage for men to be able to have sex long after their bodies are capable of doing so, but we won't cover birth control. Seems a bit strange to me.

Not really. If you think about it. One is a medical problem, the other isn't. I think you can figure which is which.

Next question. Can you prove the reverse? That is, that it's a mass of cells and not an unborn child? If you take it out environment will it not just die? Not necessarily. Depends on how it's removed and at what point in it's gestation it's in. Was it even alive in the first place? That goes right back to my question to you. Can you prove it's not alive?

I wasn't looking to prove anything, and I definitely didn't have an answer when positing the question, but it seemed pertinent to the conversation. I go back and forth on the topic too much to take a position, but the question popped into my head while reading Bakerstreet's post. My only intent was to provoke thought. Oh, and it was already the reverse, since Baker had asked for proof in the direction you state. Hmmm, sounds like some dirty double crossing going on here.

If you take a look at Para's reply in #56, I think he does a pretty good job of answering.

We don't want the government in our bedrooms, in our living rooms, or even in our body cavities.

For a communist, someone whose ideals would seem to champion big government, you're talking a lot like a rightie, here.

112 by Rightwinger Thursday, September 15, 2005

We don't want the government in our bedrooms, in our living rooms, or even in our body cavities. For a communist, someone whose ideals would seem to champion big government, you're talking a lot like a rightie, here.

like all liberals it only matters when it is HIS rights being messed with.

would everyone at least agree there is SOMETHING IN A HUMAN BEING THAT SETS US APART FROM THE ANIMALS?

Yes MM, Human DNA, which also make a fetus human. To say anything else is simply rediculous and denies biological science completely.

Yes MM, Human DNA, which also make a fetus human. To say anything else is simply rediculous and denies biological science completely.

um I already know where you stand my friend. as you know where I stand and the issue of "soul" and I ain't talkin bout james brown either.

I'd like to see Myrrander living in a hard-line socialist country... all 15 minutes before he is shot. Not some half-assed socialist country like France, mind you, but some sweaty, mosquito-infested place Che Guevara would have been the hero in his fairy tale.

Isn't it heartwarming to see someone who would be jailed for insulting the President in his beloved Venezuela cry and moan about a nation where he is ALLOWED to insult the president?

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Friday, September 16, 2005I'd like to see Myrrander living in a hard-line socialist country... all 15 minutes before he is shot. Not some half-assed socialist country like France, mind you, but some sweaty, mosquito-infested place Che Guevara would have been the hero in his fairy tale. Isn't it heartwarming to see someone who would be jailed for insulting the President in his beloved Venezuela cry and moan about a nation where he is ALLOWED to insult the president?

myrr would last about 2 seconds in an hardline commie state, could you see him shooting his mouth off about the president of N.korea? hahahahahaha

"could you see him shooting his mouth off about the president of N.korea? hahahahahaha"

Hmm, I'm trying to imagine hearing Myrrander use the words "Beloved Leader". I'm just not able to get my head around it, oddly enough...

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Friday, September 16, 2005"could you see him shooting his mouth off about the president of N.korea? hahahahahaha"Hmm, I'm trying to imagine hearing Myrrander use the words "Beloved Leader". I'm just not able to get my head around it, oddly enough...

hahahahahahahaha and remember they kill duggies there too.

Dr. Guy--I'm not ignoring your question--but my answer is that I honestly don't know. I've thought about it a lot, and I see the reasoning on both sides. It's not a question that I can answer.

Thank you for an honest answer.  I hope you find your answer, as I think you do realize the implications it can have.