America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~
One issue ain't so damn important!
Published on September 13, 2005 By Moderateman In US Domestic
It seems no matter what else is happening in the world and America, hurricanes, disease, war, huge gas prices, the only thing that matters to the left is the abortion issue, or thinking of ways to Trash Bush.

Judge Roberts has incredible credentials, a brilliant mind a sense of how a REAL JUDGE should behave {no legislating from the bench} interpreting the law as written and adhering to precedent.

But the left with no real policies or solutions are hammering away on the abortion issue! Why is this damn thing so important to the loony left? I guess that's the only way the left can continue to get support from its base! I do mean base in both senses of the word BTW.

Main Entry: base
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: vulgar
Synonyms: abject, abominable, cheap, coarse, common, contemptible, corrupt, depraved, despicable, disgraceful, dishonorable, disreputable, foul, grovelling, humble, ignoble, immoral, indelicate, loathsome, lowly, mean, menial, offensive, paltry, pitiful, plebeian, poor, scandalous, servile, shameful, shoddy, sleazy, sordid, sorry, squalid, trashy, ugly, unworthy, vile, worthless, wretched

The above pretty much defines the Democratic BASE.

Comments (Page 6)
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on Sep 13, 2005
When does it get it! I know you have to run, so I will ask the question again.


Dunno. St. Augustine says after a bit (see reply #60). Now the church says at conception. I suppose only God truly knows the answer.
on Sep 13, 2005
how many insurance companies cover perscriptions of viagra but not the pill?


Well, I can name Aetna (under 2 different HMO's and 2 different PPO plans) as well as Blue Cross/Blue Shield of VA. I know they do for birth control reasons (and not just hormonal replacement type reasons) because they have for us. And several different versions (including norplants and depo provara, as well).

It's all about asking. And if they don't, there's always the *person who was prescribe the pills* appealing to the state insurance review board. It's for more than just surgical procedures that they won't allow.
on Sep 13, 2005
shadesofgrey: but if this is, as you admit, a morally subjective question, why do 9 'elite' members of our society, with lifetime appointments and very little checks to their power, get to impose their will on us? Shouldn't such sweeping judgements be left to circumstances where there IS objective "truth" to the judgement?

IMHO, the judgement of any Supreme Court Justice is no more authoritative on abortion than anyone else. Whether banning it is constitutional or not relies upon patently subjective definitions of life and when it begins. They have no more ability to objectively define when life begins than anyone else.
on Sep 13, 2005
79 by BakerStreet
Tuesday, September 13, 2005


why do 9 'elite' members of our society, with lifetime appointments and very little checks to their power, get to impose their will on us? Shouldn't such sweeping judgements be left to circumstances where there IS objective "truth" to the judgement?


they have no real checks on their power which is why ther left needs liberal judges to help make laws that the left cannot push through!@
on Sep 13, 2005
shadesofgrey: but if this is, as you admit, a morally subjective question, why do 9 'elite' members of our society, with lifetime appointments and very little checks to their power, get to impose their will on us? Shouldn't such sweeping judgements be left to circumstances where there IS objective "truth" to the judgement?

IMHO, the judgement of any Supreme Court Justice is no more authoritative on abortion than anyone else. Whether banning it is constitutional or not relies upon patently subjective definitions of life and when it begins. They have no more ability to objectively define when life begins than anyone else.


I had to read that a couple of times, but I am pretty sure I agree with you. I don't think that you can get objective "truth."
on Sep 13, 2005
they have no real checks on their power which is why ther left needs liberal judges to help make laws that the left cannot push through!@


I think that argument could be used for both sides of the aisle.
on Sep 13, 2005
A LOT more often, though, the Right would prefer mandate by popular vote. Historically it is the Left that use the constitution and liberal interpretations thereof to get their way. Neither should, I agree. I think the "strike zone" as Biden the Drama Queen calls it should be as restrictive as the literal reading of the document.
on Sep 13, 2005
nah ted fire away my cyberfriend.


Thanks MM, I appreciate it, I really left Shadesofgray with the wrong impression and I'm glad for the oportunity to clear it up.

Shadesofgray:
Parated, clearly we disagree on this, and so I think I am going to end my conversation here (well, and I have a load of work to do). My belief is no more political posturing than yours is, nor do I believe that killing babies is a good thing. If you hold either of these opinions of me, than there is no real need to continue, is there, as there will be no benefit to anyone.


Yes, we do disagree on this, but my argument is meant to get past all the political posturing on both sides (because there IS plenty on either side). My argument shows that scietifically speaking, fetus cannot be anything other than living human beings.

Then comes the next part of the whole abortion issue (the part that makes it harder to deal with than scientific method). We, as societies, decide which human beings we are willing to kill and let die all the time. Capital punishment, war, justifiable homicide, self defense, and even medical decisions are all examples of times we choose to kill, and society excuses it. So, when I said, "you have to decide if killing babies is a good thing", I didn't mean to accuse you of wanting to run out and throw babies off a bridge. I meant, since fetuses are living human beings, are we (as a society) willing to include babies (which are humans less than toddler age) in the list of who our society deems it acceptable to kill (or merely let die).
on Sep 13, 2005
83 by BakerStreet
Tuesday, September 13, 2005


A LOT more often, though, the Right would prefer mandate by popular vote. Historically it is the Left that use the constitution and liberal interpretations thereof to get their way. Neither should, I agree. I think the "strike zone" as Biden the Drama Queen calls it should be as restrictive as the literal reading of the document.


this is exactly right baker, the right manadtes through the voting process the left uses liberal courts and judges that legislate from the bench to punch through there plans.
on Sep 13, 2005
I believe I didn't do one of those gender mistakes there, did I , HC?.

Completely female here.
on Sep 13, 2005
86 by HC...
Tuesday, September 13, 2005


Completely female here.


as oppossed to partial female>? heh heh heh
on Sep 13, 2005
shades? I want to thank you for wading in and giving the oppossing view.

respectfully

MM
on Sep 13, 2005
I think the "strike zone" as Biden the Drama Queen calls it should be as restrictive as the literal reading of the document.


now, now, Roberts started the whole baseball analogy, don't snipe because Biden ran with it.
on Sep 13, 2005
Ok, last comments before I call it quits and head home for the night...

My argument shows that scietifically speaking, fetus cannot be anything other than living human beings.


If I could correct that to be "living homo sapien", I would completely concur. I suppose what I am getting at is that science can not explain everything (lots of stuff yes, but not everything).

I would wager that the difference between a homo sapien and a human being is the soul (of course, this is my belief based on my faith, and obviously not held everyone). So now the question becomes when does the soul enter the body.

We, as societies, decide which human beings we are willing to kill and let die all the time. Capital punishment, war, justifiable homicide, self defense, and even medical decisions are all examples of times we choose to kill, and society excuses it.


Good point--though I am still hesistant to call a fetus a human being. I am not sure I am being articulate when trying to describe my position, so I will have to mull it over and try to word it better.

Completely female here

Glad I got that right--my gender has been called into question a number of times here!

A LOT more often, though, the Right would prefer mandate by popular vote.


I've never done a comparative analysis, and don't have time to do one now , so again, I will have to take your word for it. It is a claim that is raised on here often, so one of these days, I will do some research on it!

I want to thank you for wading in and giving the oppossing view.

Thanks MM.
on Sep 13, 2005
#89 by Myrrander
Tuesday, September 13, 2005


Biden
is an idiot.
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