Bleeding hearts decry torture

Published on January 7, 2005 By Moderateman In Politics

While watching the news I am once again shocked to see how out of touch the left is with REALITY.

They demand we play fair with a group of people bent on the total destruction of America.

This is total bull dookey!!!!

Keeping a room hot is not torture..... remember these nut jobs live and fight in the freaking DESERT.

Keeping a room cold is not torture,.. these same nutjobs live in caves.. to hide so they can keep killing innocent people..

Playing music loud while very annoying {90 decibels} is not torture {unless its babs striesand singing}

Making a person stand in an uncomfortable position is NOT torture.

Putting a hood over someones head is scarey but is not torture.

We do worse to our own american peoples. the prisons of america...

I once again find myself asking what is it with the left that they cry for our enemies so loud.... for making them uncomfortable.

They {the enemy} has no compunction letting american wounds rot while holding them prisoners, beheading people publically. even tho these people are NOT combatants.

Killing a female aid worker, that so shocked the arab world that even aljazera a terroist news org would not show the tape of her killing.

NOw let me defang some of the leftwing bleeding hearts here before I catch some kinda disease from there bleeding all over my monitor.

I do not condone hooking someone genitals to a battery... Cutting there ears off..ramming sharp objects up there fingernails.. or any form of what really qualifies as torture.. Unlike what the germans and japaneese did to us military people in ww2 and the vietnameese did in viet nam war.

We are in a fight with a people that DO NOT GIVE A FLYING frell about playing by any rules .. why does the left insist we do??
please dont bleed all over by taking some kinda american supiority stance.....The we must show the world how good we are crap....

This is A WAR for survival... get it right and get it now before its too late...

Comments (Page 4)

Moderateman

on Jan 07, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Friday, January 07, 2005Like I've said before, if you want to defeat a monster sometimes you have to become a monster. I have to grudgingly agree with Moderateman here.Based upon what Moderateman said, and the nature of the combatants (ie, this does not apply to Iraqi POWs), I would also agree. I do not agree with bamboo shoots up the fingernails, but sleep deprivation? Rock Music? Making one stand for hours at a time? I hardly think that is torture. That was my Jr High PE class!

never said i liked torture just said it is necessery at times..... not the fingernail...stuff.. what i said in blog

Moderateman

on Jan 07, 2005

Reply By: RightwingerPosted: Friday, January 07, 2005

Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

the allies estimated at least the loss of over 2 million japanesse and 250 thousand americans if we invaded japan... sad as this is nukeing them saved lives

Moderateman

on Jan 07, 2005

boy aint dat da truth.... maybe we should make alla terroist take jr high school p.e. classes......... bawwahahahahahaha

Moderateman

on Jan 07, 2005

onna side note "history" look at what our military did in the philipines circa early pre ww1 ... we took muslim extremist and threatened to wrap em in pig skin if they did not talk... is that torture too??

drmiler

on Jan 08, 2005

Reply #17 By: Moderateman - 1/7/2005 12:36:01 PM
Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Friday, January 07, 2005Mod is right and everybody else is wrong. And what war did YOU fight in Mod...I'm curious? I grew up on military bases (Dad was a Line Officer 1st MEF) Gramps fought in the Pacific in WW2 I have seen what war can do. I have also seen what torture can do. Face it man, you are so out of touch here.

um proudly served usmc 1965 thru 1966 father usmc ww2 in west pac....... my son desert storm also usmc...

Just an FYI for *thatoneguyinslc. That would be the Vietnam war that moderateman is refering to. The one that had more torture and abuse than any other. Unless you were actually in the war (father & grandfather don't count) then you really can't question what he has or has not seen or experienced.

thatoneguyinslc

on Jan 08, 2005

Uh miler? I never questioned what he has seen in this thread. I also am well aware that Mod's service was during vietnam. Get a clue.

I lived on base in San Diego when i was a kid, and i saw some of the POW's come home in 1973. i was five. Those guys looked like they had suffered things that i cannot imagine. Like the life had been sucked out of them, and their hollow eyes. I will never ever forget the looks on their faces.

THAT my friends is why i do NOT believe in torture.

Can YOU say that miler? Thought not. The condescending tone kinda drowned out what my message was i guess.

Moderateman

on Jan 08, 2005

Reply By: drmilerPosted: Saturday, January 08, 2005Reply #17 By: Moderateman - 1/7/2005 12:36:01 PMReply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Friday, January 07, 2005Mod is right and everybody else is wrong. And what war did YOU fight in Mod...I'm curious? I grew up on military bases (Dad was a Line Officer 1st MEF) Gramps fought in the Pacific in WW2 I have seen what war can do. I have also seen what torture can do. Face it man, you are so out of touch here.um proudly served usmc 1965 thru 1966 father usmc ww2 in west pac....... my son desert storm also usmc...Just an FYI for *thatoneguyinslc. That would be the Vietnam war that moderateman is refering to. The one that had more torture and abuse than any other. Unless you were actually in the war (father & grandfather don't count) then you really can't question what he has or has not seen or experienced.

ugly shit my friend is what I remember and have endevored to forget till this election cycle kicked up so many crappy memories {john kerry and vvaw} He {hanoijohn} is WHY i switched parties this year, If he was the best the dems had to offer I would have voted for ho chi mihn first.

thatoneguyinslc

on Jan 08, 2005

Miler....Pretty weak arguement, and untrue at that. I never questioned what Mod has or has not seen or experienced in combat. And i also am aware he served during Vietnam. Get a clue ok?

I have however, seen torture victims before. When i was a kid i lived on base in San Diego. It was 1973 i believe and i would have been five years old then. Some of the returning POW's arrived at the Naval hospital, and my father took us to the welcome home ceremony. I will never forget the looks in those soldiers eyes. I cannot even imagine what they went through.

THAT my friends, is why i am against torture.

I have seen the aftermath of what it can do to OUR troops. If any of you think that for one minute that it won't happen again if we do not stop the physical torture, You're extremely naive to how our enemies operate.

And BTW miler, i am an active supporter of POW/MIA. I have been since i was 18. I wear the patch on my motorcycle leather, and this year, there's a good chance i will ride to DC for Rolling Thunder. That's how much respect and admiration i have for those who have suffered at the hands of the enemy.

kingbee

on Jan 08, 2005

i dont know why this is suddenly a left-right issue.

rear adm. john hutson, who was recently the navy's judge advocate general, released a letter he sent monday to the judiciary committee noting that gonzales' recommendations "fostered greater animosity toward the United States, undermined our intelligence gathering efforts, and added to the risks facing our troops serving around the world."

senator lindsay graham (r-sc)--who has 20 years of experience as an air force judge-advocate general--told gonzales: "I think you weaken yourself as a nation when you try to play cute and become more like your enemy instead of like who you want to be."

in response to gonzales' claim that this was a different enemy, graham said: "But we're not like who we want to be and who we have been, and that's the point I'm trying to make. When you start looking at torture statutes and you look at ways around the spirit of the law, you're losing the moral high ground."

Rightwinger

on Jan 08, 2005

Pershing DID bury Muslim insurgents with pigs, as an example to the others. Kinda made'em think twice. Different world, that was, but not necessarily worse.

Rightwinger

on Jan 08, 2005

you're losing the moral high ground

----kingbee

But that's just the point WE'RE trying to make.....taking the high road isn't always the most efficient, or safest, way to get things done. It might be always preferable, but not always the "best" in the practical sense.

kingbee

on Jan 08, 2005

what im trying to point out is the fact that this isnt a left issue. neither of those people are leftwingers.

kingbee

on Jan 08, 2005

taking the high road isn't always the most efficient, or safest, way to get things done. It might be always preferable, but not always the "best" in the practical sense

how many of the women who confessed to being witches in the inquisition or while being otherwise tortured were telling the truth?

Rightwinger

on Jan 08, 2005

how many of the women who confessed to being witches in the inquisition or while being otherwise tortured were telling the truth?

---kingbee

Were those women caught in the very act of assembling booby traps, driving car bombs or ambushing convoys of our troops or Iraqi police? No.
The Salem Witch Trials were the result of paranoia, misinformation and false accusations.
Bad example, kingbee. You can do much better.

kingbee

on Jan 08, 2005

my point is that torture isnt that efficient or that practical in terms of obtaining reliable information--especially if the people youre torturing are fanatics. anyone will say anything to make it stop.

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