Jesus, Son of G-d or Satan's greatest trick?

Published on October 26, 2007 By Moderateman In Religion

So Satan sitting in his home listening to the screams of the tormented with a smile on his face, decided the Jews were to close to G-d, and this really angered him, he had to find a way to divide the damned Jews, after all G-d decided they were his chosen people and what better target for his evil deeds than watering down the religion, Now Satan had great power, let us not forget that after all he was arch Angel, most high, one of the three named Angels that sat at G-ds side at one time.

So along comes this good man Jesus was his name, he had many good things to say and the people listened, so first Satan hardened the hearts of the Rabbis, made them jealous of Jesus and his huge following, then Satan allowed some minor so called miracles to happen, an easy task for one as powerful as Lucifer. Satan also knew of the prophecy of the Messiah, and he thought what a great idea if he could trick the Jews into believing that Jesus was the Messiah, he could one, break up the tribes of Israel, really anger G-d whom Lucifer hated beyond all things and of course lead people away from the one true faith of Judaism. Needless to say his plan worked the people of Israel {some} believed the Messiah had come, the Rabbis who Lucifer had tricked into believing this good man was a threat to their power played their part perfectly and had the Romans crucify Jesus {all part of the prophecy} Some years after the death of Jesus, Christianity was born, Jesus NEVER claimed to be a Christian, he was circumcised in the Jewish religion and took Bar mitzvah at 13 again following the Jewish religion. Never once did he or his disciples call what Jesus was preaching Christianity, what he was preaching was Judaism in it purest form, with stress on the 10 commandments as a way to live your life. Did this really happen? I have no Idea, but it is no more believable or unbelievable than Jesus being the Human Son of G-d. Meanwhile we Jews of the one true faith are still waiting for the Messiah to arrive and on that day there will be much celebrating, for we have waiting patiently a very long time for this to happen.

Comments (Page 3)

lulapilgrim

on Oct 27, 2007

Actually that was an amused "heh, heh" not a sarcastic "heh, heh."

Mine was a ha, ha moment as well. See, I first wrote:

You have me grinning a big grin on this one....

lulapilgrim

on Oct 27, 2007

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

Christ does not contradict the Torah. In the case of St. John 9:14, His actions amplify the teaching of the Sabbath.

Here's the entire passage. 14-17

"14 Now it was the Sabbath day when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes. 15 The Pharisees again asked him how he had received his sight. ANd he said the them, "He put some clay on my eyes, and I washed, and I see." 16 Some of the Pharisees said, "This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath." But others said, "How can a man who is a sinner do such things?" There was a division amongst them. 17 So they again said to the blind man, "What do you say about him who opened your eyes?" He said, "He is a prophet."

So, MM, do you think the Pharisees wanted to hear the cured man say that Christ was a prophet on the Sabbath? Probably not, right?

Here, the Pharisees bring up the same accusation as they did when the paralyzed man was cured beside the pool. St.Jn. 5:10 and as on other occasions. Jesus had broken the law becasue He cures the sick on the Sabbath. CHrist had often taught that observance of the law of the Sabbath rest was compatible with the duty to do good. Charity, the good of others, takes precedence over all the other commandments. If rules are given precedence in a blind sort of way over the inescapable obligations of justice and charity, the result is fanaticism which always goes against the Gospel and even against right reason---as happens in this instance with the Pharisees.

Their minds are so closed that they do not want to see God's hand in something which simply could not be done without Divine power. The dilemna they pose themselves --is He a man of God, as His miracles imply; or a sinner, becasue He does not keep the Sabbath----can only arise in people whose outlook is that of religious fanatics. Their mistaken interpretation of how certain precepts should be kept leads them to forget the essence of the Law---Love of God and of neighbor.

To avoid accepting Jesus' Divinity, the Pharisees reject the only possible correct interpretation of the miracle; whereas the blind man--like all unprejudiced open to the truth---finds solid grounds in the miracle for confessing that CHrist works through the power of GOd: He supported and confirmed his preaching by miracles to arouse the faith of his hearers and give them assurance, but not to coerce them.

KFC Kickin For Christ

on Oct 27, 2007

To put even more simply Lula. Christ is the Sabbath. He is the rest spoken of in the OT. The Sabbath points to him. The Sabbath was just a shadow of the real thing. The Pharisees rejected him and the rest he offered.

"Come to me all you who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

Moderateman

on Oct 28, 2007

Jeeze I just woke up and here we are again, the proof that Jesus did not fulfill ALL the benchmarks for Messiah are written out in front of you, but you cannot accept the truth of things, I have been holding back not for years out of respect for other religions, but I have just had enough of it. Whip as a scholar { I am not} has shown Jesus misses many prophecy, you choose to ignore them. end of discussion. When someone quote verse from the bible proving the marks Jesus missed and you ignore it, how can their be any conversation, even if Jesus hit 99 out of 100 he still CANNOT BE THE MESSIAH!

ThinkAloud

on Oct 28, 2007

I have been holding back not for years out of respect for other religions, but I have just had enough of it.

ME TOO. very much so.

It is really sad that we concentrate on issues that can not be resolved by us humans. The nature of God and Who is, was, or will be the Messaiah is better left to be self-resolved. and sooner or later it will.

isn't it better that we realize that the Three Abrahamic religions say almost the same thing regarding what and how humans are supposed to do and behave? isn't that enough?

Isn't it more productive and useful for ALL of us to discuss the details of these common grounds?

Are the difefrences in issues we cant understand or resolve more important than the details of the issues that we all recognize?

we better get hold of our senses otherwise we are going crazy.

KFC Kickin For Christ

on Oct 28, 2007

Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Ok, here's the verse LW is referring to:

5 Fear not for I am with thee I will bring your seed from the east and gather you from the west; 6I will say to the north, Give up and to the south, keep not back; bring my sons from far and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Where does it say LW that Christ was to fulfill this in his first coming? Isaiah in his book was warning of the Babylonian captivity. He also gave assurance of the preservation of the people and restoration of the nation...which is what you brought up here. What I want to know...is where does it say that Christ was SUPPOSED to fulfil this in his first coming?

Now if you want to really talk about the restoration of Israel then you want to go to Ezek 37 which has all to do with the resuscitation of the nation which is what I was referring to. That is happening now.

The entire New Testament contradicts the Torah, contradicts it profoundly, and contradicts it repeatedly, urging Jews to disobey the laws they were given.

No, it doesn't. The entire NT (exception Luke) was written by Jews.

If Jesus was born of a virgin, there is no blood link back to the house of David. If he was not born of a virgin, that kinda blows your entire theory of immaculate conception (along with all your ideas about sex being 'sinful' and 'dirty') right out of the water, doesn't it?

First off Isa 7:14 fits under the law of double fulfillment. Second of all. Jesus being born of a virgin did link to King David. Mary was related to David's son Nathan so her blood line came directly from King David. His title came from Joseph who was directly in line with Solomon who was Nathan's brother and also David's other more prominent son.

I will stand by the fact that EVERY OT prophecy concerning Jesus' first coming HAS come true. There are other prophecies that refer to his second coming and they have not come true yet, but the beginning stage is being set. Israel coming into her own land (Ezek 37) is one very big proof of this.

Jeeze I just woke up and here we are again, the proof that Jesus did not fulfill ALL the benchmarks for Messiah are written out in front of you,

Where's this proof MM? I haven't seen it. I've seen just the opposite. He has fulfilled EVERY benchmark for his first coming. Did you not read what the Jews said on the site I gave you? Total opposite of what you want to believe.

I too have Jewish blood running thru my veins. My great great grandfather was a Jewish Rabbi who actually ended up denoucing God because of the persecution of the Jews.

Moderateman

on Oct 28, 2007

I too have Jewish blood running thru my veins. My great great grandfather was a Jewish Rabbi who actually ended up denoucing God because of the persecution of the Jews.

Reply By: KFC Kickin For ChristPosted: Sunday, October 28, 2007

I am through argueing this, I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. The end.

As for your Jewish blood, no you don't since by Jewish law, bloodlines flow from the mother, if your mother is not a Jew neither are you, nor can you lay claim to any Jewish blood, Not being mean, just a fact.

KFC Kickin For Christ

on Oct 28, 2007

As for your Jewish blood, no you don't since by Jewish law, bloodlines flow from the mother, if your mother is not a Jew

Well my mother would have been the Jew. Her Father was Catholic so she was brought up Catholic and so was I.

I am through argueing this, I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. The end.

Ok, MM. That's what I thought. I won't add any more then.

Moderateman

on Oct 28, 2007

Reply By: ThinkAloudPosted: Sunday, October 28, 2007
I have been holding back not for years out of respect for other religions, but I have just had enough of it.

ME TOO. very much so.

It is really sad that we concentrate on issues that can not be resolved by us humans. The nature of God and Who is, was, or will be the Messaiah is better left to be self-resolved. and sooner or later it will.

isn't it better that we realize that the Three Abrahamic religions say almost the same thing regarding what and how humans are supposed to do and behave? isn't that enough?

Isn't it more productive and useful for ALL of us to discuss the details of these common grounds?

Are the difefrences in issues we cant understand or resolve more important than the details of the issues that we all recognize?

we better get hold of our senses otherwise we are going crazy.

wonderful reply, my thoughts exactly, till this latest outburst of mine. I have always contended there are many paths to G-D, it just pisses me off when some folks insist their way IS THE ONLY WAY.

Jythier

on Oct 28, 2007

If God had only one way, would you be pissed at Him for insisting on it?

ThinkAloud

on Oct 28, 2007

If God had only one way, would you be pissed at Him for insisting on it?

HE does have one way. And none of the followers of the the three religions have a reason to be pissed. Unless of course they create their own reasons for getting pissed.The three of them say essentially the same thing over and over and over again, sometimes in the SAME EXACT WORDS. He always warned all of us against arguing about things we cant comprehend and HE clearly said HE will be the judge of the three points of view on the day of Judgement. Unforthunately that is what most of us do. It is us not Him who created the reasons to be pissed off.

Ask any of the followers of the three religions the following question: DO you believe in the God of Abraham and His religion?

what would be the answer of the more than 4 Billion people? every single one of them.

Then look at what we argue about.

It is shameful and a disgrace to all of us that we dont realize what we are doing.

Abraham must be ashamed of us, no question in my mind about that.

Jythier

on Oct 29, 2007

How does a Jewish person know they're going to heaven? Because they're Jewish? Is there something they need to do to get in? I'm unfamiliar with how that works. And the other religion, how does one get to heaven?

lulapilgrim

on Oct 29, 2007

I am through argueing this, I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe.

That you believe what you believe and others believe what they believe is the way it was BEFORE you wrote this article...so in that regard nothing has changed between then and NOW..in that we both still believe what we believe.

That having been said doesn't allow the fact that in between then and now you wrote this article asking 2 poignant questions DIRECTLY RELATED TO OUR RESPECTIVE BELIEFS. Weren't your questions an invitation to discuss and defend our respective beliefs?

Jythier

on Oct 29, 2007

MM is just the moderator, it appears. LW made some points, KFC made some points, and just as KFC was getting up steam... moderator throws her out, leaving LW to make any point she wants without KFC to make counterpoints. Well, it leaves me and Lula, but I don't agree with Lula about a lot of things, and I'm not exactly a biblical scholar at this point.

MM, if you want to talk about your own beliefs, that's fine, and it's okay to not be argued with. But if you're going to talk about Christian beliefs, you should expect and be prepared for Christians to come here and debate them, discuss them, and generally try to defend their beliefs. Disallowing that is inconsistent with the tolerance you seem to care so much about.

Moderateman

on Oct 29, 2007

(Citizen)JythierOctober 29, 2007 09:20:14

I Did not "throw KFC out' I just did not want to continue this as it was getting no where, no matter how many points a Christian makes I am going to stay a JEW no matter how many points I make KFC and lulu and you are going to remain Christian.

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