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So Satan sitting in his home listening to the screams of the tormented with a smile on his face, decided the Jews were to close to G-d, and this really angered him, he had to find a way to divide the damned Jews, after all G-d decided they were his chosen people and what better target for his evil deeds than watering down the religion, Now Satan had great power, let us not forget that after all he was arch Angel, most high, one of the three named Angels that sat at G-ds side at one time.

So along comes this good man Jesus was his name, he had many good things to say and the people listened, so first Satan hardened the hearts of the Rabbis, made them jealous of Jesus and his huge following, then Satan allowed some minor so called miracles to happen, an easy task for one as powerful as Lucifer. Satan also knew of the prophecy of the Messiah, and he thought what a great idea if he could trick the Jews into believing that Jesus was the Messiah, he could one, break up the tribes of Israel, really anger G-d whom Lucifer hated beyond all things and of course lead people away from the one true faith of Judaism. Needless to say his plan worked the people of Israel {some} believed the Messiah had come, the Rabbis who Lucifer had tricked into believing this good man was a threat to their power played their part perfectly and had the Romans crucify Jesus {all part of the prophecy} Some years after the death of Jesus, Christianity was born, Jesus NEVER claimed to be a Christian, he was circumcised in the Jewish religion and took Bar mitzvah at 13 again following the Jewish religion. Never once did he or his disciples call what Jesus was preaching Christianity, what he was preaching was Judaism in it purest form, with stress on the 10 commandments as a way to live your life. Did this really happen? I have no Idea, but it is no more believable or unbelievable than Jesus being the Human Son of G-d. Meanwhile we Jews of the one true faith are still waiting for the Messiah to arrive and on that day there will be much celebrating, for we have waiting patiently a very long time for this to happen.


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on Feb 03, 2008
Well these were given to the Jews. Some I'd question. One in particular the one about a eunuch couldn't marry an Israelite woman? I think it was like #64. The text given was Deut 23:2.


"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD (Deut 23:2, KJV)"

4464. mamzer (mam-zare')

From an unused root meaning to alienate; a mongrel, i.e. Born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother -- bastard.

However from my Chumash (Soncino) it offers the following explanation for 'bastard.'

"This does not mean a child born out of wedlock, but the child of an adulterous or an incestuous marriage (i.e. one with the forbidden degrees of kinship as laid down in Lev. 18 and 20)."

on Feb 03, 2008
"This does not mean a child born out of wedlock, but the child of an adulterous or an incestuous marriage (i.e. one with the forbidden degrees of kinship as laid down in Lev. 18 and 20)."


so you're saying it's a child born say from two relatives married? What about the example I gave with Judah and Tamar in Gen 38? I don't see any marriage there but it was a father in law and daughter in law situation. (I'm guessing 38...too lazy to look it up ) David come to find out, is the 10th generation from that unholy union. Thought that was interesting.

But my question wasn't so much that anyhow really. I was just wondering why it said "eunuch" on that site you gave me? It doesn't seem to fit the scripture.

on Feb 04, 2008
so you're saying it's a child born say from two relatives married? What about the example I gave with Judah and Tamar in Gen 38? I don't see any marriage there but it was a father in law and daughter in law situation. (I'm guessing 38...too lazy to look it up ) David come to find out, is the 10th generation from that unholy union. Thought that was interesting.


What we see here in Gen 38 is not an incestuous relation. We see Onan's failure to perform the duty of a husband's brother and so Judah (the father and next of kin to Er) performed this duty. Note: this is why Onan was killed (vs 10). This does not contradict the illegitimate relationships found in Lev 18 and 20.
on Feb 04, 2008
But my question wasn't so much that anyhow really. I was just wondering why it said "eunuch" on that site you gave me? It doesn't seem to fit the scripture.


I understand this to be in reference to self mutilation or self castration (a reference to heathen cults).
on Feb 04, 2008
You will find it in Gen 12 where you will see 7 promises made to Abraham. You also will see the radifying of this covenant in Chap 15 with God passing ALONE between the pieces of the animals. God, whose presence was evident by the fire and smoke, swore fidelity to His promises and placed the obligation for their fullfillment on Himself alone.

What do you know about such ceremonies in Jewish History?


Are you referring to the numbers of the stars and sands here?
on Feb 04, 2008
Are you referring to the numbers of the stars and sands here?


Not especially. I'm not sure I get your question AD.

Go back to Chap 12 and notice the "I wills" God is taking full responsibiity for this unconditional covenant radifying it in Chap 15. Nothing has to be done on Abraham's part. It's going to happen. God will get his way. He has a plan and he will bring it to completion.
on Feb 08, 2008
Go back to Chap 12 and notice the "I wills" God is taking full responsibiity for this unconditional covenant radifying it in Chap 15. Nothing has to be done on Abraham's part. It's going to happen. God will get his way. He has a plan and he will bring it to completion.


I'm not sure I make the connection as how that is the root?
on Feb 11, 2008
AD posts:
I'm not sure I make the connection as how that is the root?


KFC POSTS 326

The root of the tree AD is the Abrahamic covenant....not the Mosaic. This covenant promised blessing to both Jew and Gentile thru Christ.


Hebrews 6:13-18 explains that God sealed the Abrahamic covenant, at least its salvific dimensions, with an oath which makes it irrevokable.

The remainining verses in Hebrews 6:19-13:14, explain that Jesus Christ and His New Covenant is the centerpiece of the Abraham's irrevokable covenant. God's promise and oath are the gateway to our salvation..if I may say, what FKC calls the root, can also be understood as an anchor which makes us feel safe no matter what hazards threatens us. The Christian, who is, through faith the true descendent of Abraham Rom. 4:12, and the heir of the promise Gal. 3: 14, 16, 29, is therefore certain that God will keep His word. Hebrews, v. 18, says that we should "have strong encouragement to seize the hope set before us." Hope is a kind of hold on what is promised, a kind of anchor that is "sure and steadfast".

Scripture tells us that the Abrahamic Covenant has transitioned in to anbd become the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. They are one and the same. This is precisesly why St. Paul could use the example of Abraham who was justified by grace, as an object lesson to educate the early Church Rom. 4:1-24; St.James 2:21-24.

We see in St.Luke 1:68-79, Zacharias equates the birth of CHrist and His future mission on the Cross with God "remembering His holy covenant, the oath He swore to Abraham our father...to give his people the knowledge of salvation by the forgiveness of their sins." It's the reason Christ said in St.John 8:56, that Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Christ. It's why Acts 3:25-26 says that the covenant to Abraham concerned the coming of Christ to forgive sins. It's why Gal. 3:16, says that Abraham's seed in the covenant promise was Christ alone. It's why Gal. 3:17-22 then separates the Mosaic law from the Abrahamic covenant and completes the section by saying that those who are in Christ are the "seed of Abraham" v. 29.

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