Reply By: ArtysimPosted: Thursday, October 25, 2007

Jezzzz you sure know howto turn a phrase or two, keep this up and you will soon be the master around here, maybe taking the vaunted and much missed bakerstreets place.

Lemme see where to start, how about those militias you asked me to join, who are they composed of? why nice little peaceful Christians boys who do not like blacks, or me {Jew} or any other minority. This ain't no 500 years ago it's right now. Present time.Your response is typical of a shallow thinker, to dare tell me I should join the terrorists or a militia group is much more insulting than me saying you shoot your mouth off. But typically you seem to forget who started the insulting remarks, concentrating on my remark in RESPONSE to yours.



If you read back you will see that I said, "If you believe a message of peace was considered oppressive, than you should join a militia or a terrorist group." This is not an insult. Calm down and think. I was contrasting the views between peace and oppression.

I'm not your enemy, sir. Stop with the name calling and stick to the facts. I believe I also gave you a list of non-christians who have been killing people today. Any comment on that? I don't know of any Christians who kill in the name of God today. Do you? I also suggested you read up on history. I don't think those are the words of someone who is a shallow thinker. I personally value learning, individuality, the Bill of Rights, and the principles upon which America was founded. I volunteered to protect our country.

If you want to pretend that I insulted you, then fine. I disagree with you on that. I think it is great that you served our country. If you want to think that Christians are fanatic, anti-intellectual zelots, then fine. I still disagree with you.

you are right there was. but that was due to the fact that their evil was complete. compared to today tho they would look like angels.

db.

Well...it could've brought them directly to God after all that lovely torture.

~Zoo

i'm unable to locate a similar previous assertion (quoted by someone--perhaps cikomyr--so i must be slipping even deeper into the dreaded morass of senility) that us civil/criminal law owes its existence to mosaic or biblical precepts.

believe whatever you wish but please refrain from passing your opinion off as fact.

hammurabi's code--which draws upon much more ancient sets of laws manifested in his own cultural traditions--almost certainly predated anything proclaimed by moses. according to hammurabi, his system was presented him by anu and baal. moses' commandments and massively expanded follow-up include a number of striking similarities to hammurabi's system. coincidence or ?

american jurisprudence owes more to blackstone and marshall than moses or any other messenger of the gods and is an amalgram of norman tradition, english common law and rome's corpus juris civilis rather than christianity.

there is, of course, a competing, widely implemented legal system which incorporates many of those biblical precepts to which you refer.

it's called sharia.

folks folks


all countries with laws are all based on the ten commandments whether or not they knew about the ten commandments.


ie no murder stealing and what ever else i can't think.

You can't base something on a thing you don't even know exists. It just so happens that some of those rules help a society live well together.

"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."

"Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."

"Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..."

"Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy"

"Honor your father and your mother..."

"Do not murder"

"Do not commit adultery."

"Do not steal."

"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"

"Do not covet your neighbor's wife"

Only 3 of those are actually laws in the US. No murder, stealing, or bearing false witness. Other than that, the others you can do without legal trouble...unless your significant other wants a divorce because you're an adulterous bastard.

~Zoo

And never have been able to.

Honor your father and your mother..."

"Do not murder"

"Do not commit adultery."

"Do not steal."

"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"


these ones

Those are laws? Then why don't those little annoying kids get arrested for being dicks to their parents? And when's the last time someone has been arrested for cheating on their spouse?

~Zoo

That's the particular point I was getting at...so I decided to include it in the law part since it has the potential to become illegal. Which gives a 3/10 score for the Ten Commandments being integrated into law...now I see why people were pissy about having them in a court room. 7/10 of them have no weight in the legal system.

~Zoo

a lot of states have anti adultery laws on the books. they are just not enforced except in the case of divorce.


For example, New York defines an adulterer as a person who "engages in sexual intercourse with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other person has a living spouse."[2] While in North Carolina adultery is when any man and woman "lewdly and lasciviously associate, bed and cohabit together."[3] Minnesota defines adultery as: "when a married woman has sexual intercourse with a man other than her husband, whether married or not, both are guilty of adultery".[4]

Adultery was known in earlier times by the legalistic term "criminal conversation" (another term, alienation of affection, is used when one spouse deserts the other for a third person). The term originates not from adult, which is from Latin a-dolescere, to grow up, mature, a combination of a, "to", dolere, "work", and the processing combound sc), but from the Latin ad-ulterare (to commit adultery, adulterate/falsify, a combination of ad, "at", and ulter, "above", "beyond", "opposite", meaning "on the other side of the bond of marriage").[5]



Historically, adultery has been subject to severe sanctions, including the death penalty, and has been grounds for divorce under fault-based divorce laws. In some places, the method of punishment for adultery is stoning to death.[1]

In the original Napoleonic Code, a man could ask to be divorced from his wife if she committed adultery, but the philandery of the husband was not a sufficient motive for divorce unless he had kept his concubine in the family home.

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i really wish you guys would stop making me look up these stupid laws. except for fun.

Survey of Signatories: 84% want existing adultery laws upheld.

90% of Americans believe adultery is wrong--Gallup Poll.

90% of Americans believe adultery is always wrong or almost always wrong--National Opinion Research Center.

Christians who believe "thou shalt not commit adultery" constitute 86% of the US population.

Federal Policy on adultery has not changed--adultery is illegal.

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