Ok, MM, I'm find with that....but wasn't sure seeing it seems a bit harsh here... but I'm good.....   I definitely have nothing against your stating your opinion. We all have them and some of us very strongly....that's the nature of JU I guess.

I actually had this same conversation with my dad...who is a strong conservative and he feels like we should vote for anyone who goes against Hillary even if it were Micky Mouse. Just so we don't get HER in the house again.



I think you're right. I can't think of a time he did either. He called himself the son of man, the son of God, and even God but he never associated himself as a Jew or a Christian that I can think of anyway. The Christian term wasn't even coined yet. He was "the way" to the early followers who later were called Christians. The term Christian should only mean "follower of christ." Sad to say the term has been taken over to mean many things...including that but not limited to it.

It wasn't about Jews or Christians, it was about God. Jesus HAD to come to this world via a people group and God set aside the nation Israel whom he created himself to make a way for his son to come through. Moses wrote this:

"For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a special people to himself above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The Lord did not set his love upon you nor choose you because you were more in numer than any people for you were the fewest of all people. But because the Lord loved you and because he would keep the oath he had sworn to your fathers, has the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand.... " Deut 7:6-8a.

God's sovereign choice of Israel was not based on the size of the nation (Abraham received the promise while still childless) but stemmed from His love and from faithfulness to his covenant purpose for them. It had nothing to do with what they did. They were not "better" than anyone else out there. God had a purpose and plan for Israel that is still ongoing. Part of this plan was that the Messiah would be born into this people group he chose.

Yes, MM, I have been pushing hard on this but always to the substance of what you wrote in your initial article.

I've only held your own words up for scrutiny to either make or rebut your point. I took it in stride after you explained your wanting to slap the smug faces of the religious right.

It's kinda ironic that you say here that you can get downright mean, but refuse to admit that your article was downright mean.



I think your writing, your use of language here in this case is mean spirited. From what little I can tell, I wouldn't describe you as a mean person, stubborn, probably set in your ways...yes, mean no.

Umm . . . no. He's got no chance, despite your fondness for him.

Just wanted to mention.

i discovered ju about 6 months prior to moderateman's arrival. for nearly 3 full years i've read and responsed to his articles as he has read and responded to mine. i've interacted with him frequently and even more frequently observed him interacting with myriad registered members & visitors to ju.

notta doubt in my mind that while moderateman is a whole lotta things--very passionate and outspoken, a man of definite convictions who naturally manifests an imposing presence, a powerul personality who occasionally reacts just a lil too quickly--but mean ain't even on the list. he's not blinded by ideology nor unable to speak out against his own initial position should he discover flaws there.

he's also genuinely generous, cordial, empathetic and possessed of an excellent sense of humor.

he an i disagree on a wide range of issues. neither of us pull punches (although shortly after he joined ju he surprised me by not even attempting to hide his amusement when i suggested 'angry radical man' might be a more accurate nick and he's returned the favor on several subsequent occasions)

all of which leads me to this:



although i don't always join in threads in which you participate,i regularly search them out for a number of reasons. i've yet to see you agree to consider conceding even the slightest possibility any opinion you offer might be ever the tiniest bit flawed--including those which rely totally on faith because they cannot be proven or observed.

as far a mean-spirited goes, i gotta admit i'm still waiting for your unequivocal assertion california's firest were ignited by barbarous fetus-snacking humanists basely defiling the miraculous photo of former pope john paul's recent surprise appearance in the center of a bonfire in poland.

Reply By: kingbeePosted: Sunday, October 28, 2007 i discovered ju about 6 months prior to moderateman's arrival. for nearly 3 full years i've read and responsed to his articles as he has read and responded to mine. i've interacted with him frequently and even more frequently observed him interacting with myriad registered members & visitors to ju. notta doubt in my mind that while moderateman is a whole lotta things--very passionate and outspoken, a man of definite convictions who naturally manifests an imposing presence, a powerul personality who occasionally reacts just a lil too quickly--but mean ain't even on the list. he's not blinded by ideology nor unable to speak out against his own initial position should he discover flaws there. he's also genuinely generous, cordial, empathetic and possessed of an excellent sense of humor. he an i disagree on a wide range of issues. neither of us pull punches (although shortly after he joined ju he surprised me by not even attempting to hide his amusement when i suggested 'angry radical man' might be a more accurate nick and he's returned the favor on several subsequent occasions

Ya putz, yer brought tears to these old eyes and I thank you for that and return the compliment 10 fold.

you poor old fuddy duddy

Reply By: danielostPosted: Sunday, October 28, 2007 Ya putz, yer brought tears to these old eyes and I thank you for that and return the compliment 10 fold. you poor old fuddy duddy

Daniel.... Fuck you!

I would like a front seat to that!!!!!!

poor old mm doesn't know when someone is joking.

daniel do us both a favor and stay the fuck outta my blogs, I don't like you or anything you have to say. From now on anything you write will be deleted.

Now that's just in poor taste.

~Zoo