i would say 6.5 since the adultry laws are there but not enforced.

apparently you missed the part in my earlier comment about hammurabi establishing his legal code prior to moses receiving even one commandment. furthermore, hammurabi was following up on work done by others several centuries earlier.

(sits back and waits for danielosthisshirtinthebrainexchange to launch another assault on common sense by asserting babylonian lawgivers musta been able to see into the future and were thus influenced by commandments to come)

apparently you missed the part where your earlier comments about hammurabi establishing his legal code prior to moses had the same basic laws as the laws in the ten commandments.


except for the god parts. all countries have the same basic laws.


and a lot of those earlier countries also had some form of the god parts. because the leaders were usually thought of as some kind of god. this going as late as the roman empire. unless you think that the pope is god too.

Damn good comment! And I agree. I had never heard it phrased that way, but this is one of those V8 moments. Once you hear it, you realize the truth of it.

I was wondering when someone would post that! Love it!  

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Thank you Artysim, as GrGuy said, Damn good comment.

At the first mention of killing in the name of God or religion, and in the hope of demonstrating the Catholic Church is hypocritical or illegitimate, the Crusades and the Inquisition will come up. They have always been handy sticks with which to bash the Catholic Church as the setting for killing more people than in any other war or system of totalitarianism.

Although the Crusades were rightly established to defend Christendom after 400 years of Muhammadism jihad by the sword, it's true that some groups of crusaders actuated by motives of gain targeted Jews on several occasions. In doing so, according to the historical record, they diverted from the mission Pope Urban had given them and were severely condemned for those attacks. He knew that it was much wiser to see the Jews, fellow dhimmis, as natural allies in the resistance to the Islamic jihad.

Of the Inquisition, there is no Catholic who would not wish the undeniable bad elements of it had never happened. After all is said, what does this prove about the Catholic Chruch. That the Church contains sinners. Guilty as charged.

But we are in the here and now....and that brings us back to Artysim's excellent point namely



What's the dominant belief sytem today that is killing more lives than all the world's wars put together?.......It's abortion on demand.

That dominate belief system has a name...it's secular and atheistic humanism.

Well, let's be straight - when the shoe fits . . .

I see this is still rolling along, I am pretty much through here, I am not a Christian hater, but those that think so, fine think so, your choice and I will not deny it. {try to remember I am married to a Christian} But hey I must hate her too.

I still stand by my statement that more people have been killed in the name of G-d than any other reason, twist and turn it how you must, land riches, oil, gold, what ever, the base reason was "their god is different than ours, so lets kill them or convert them"

By reason for writing this little article was that a religious leader should have no say in who the President should be, Unless they want to start paying taxes, then they can shout from the roof tops.{I still won't like it}

Lets remember who runs Iran, it sure ain't the midget that is President, it is their religious leader who pulls the strings. I don't want that for America.

Thank you to all for making this a well read and well commented on article.

You know what makes me sick. Non-Christians bashing Christians because they can't stand the idea of a moral center. That is what is sickening.

The point is the shoe doesn't fit....medievial Catholicism HASN'T killed more people than those under the banners of both medievial and present day Islam and secular and atheist humanism.

OKAY, this is your opinion and there is nothing wrong with having opinions. The problem, as I see it, is that you presented your opinion in a most hateful manner.


Dr. Dobson was speaking for himself, telling his opinion, and I do not think he should pay taxes for stating his opinion any more than you or I should.

Unless and until Guiliani changes his tune on supporting abortion on demand, no Christian should support him with their vote. Here are more reasons why this is so important.

This in from a Catholic news center:

Many social conservatives consider Giuliani to be a very weak candidate. They cite his pro-abortion positions and connections, which include support for federal funding of abortions, making abortion available at any stage of pregnancy, support for partial-birth abortion and receiving several donations from Planned Parenthood.

Elizabeth Shipp of NARAL Pro-Choice America told The Huffington Post in an Oct. 10 story that "it 'would help' the abortion rights movement if Giuliani proves it's possible a pro-choice candidate can win the Republican nomination and the presidency."

Federal tax returns made public by the former New York mayor also show that he and his then-wife, Donna Hanover, made personal donations to national, state and city chapters of Planned Parenthood totaling $900 in 1993, 1994, 1998 and 1999.

perfect example of first not knowing who I am, what I stand for, what my morals are, first I am a JEW, so is Christ, second to me Christians are a false religion, it does not exist. The messiah has not yet come, so you are practicing a false religion.

Yea, but those ham sandwiches are just irresistible.