America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~

This is why the west will lose to terrorists!  Fanatical terror suspect Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 25, and his wife, Cossor, 23, are among those being interrogated by police as suspects in the massive plot to attack trans-Atlantic flights in midair.

This couple who seemed so normal to friends and neighbors planned to use a liquid explosive in their babies bottle to MURDER A Jet full of people.

The Alis planned to use 6-month-old son Zain's baby bottle as a liquid bomb, blowing themselves and their child up, along with hundreds of others aboard the flight.

The child is now in the custody of its grandparents."Cossor was not someone I had an argument with, never any problems," said a shocked Bronwen Hammond, who attended London's Walthamstow School for Girls with her.

"She would wear the full Muslim outfit because of her parents, but she was never preaching," Hammond told The Mail on Sunday. "There were a lot more religious people at school."

But British security experts suspect that Cossor Ali is an example of a chilling phenomenon that is growing in popularity among the terror set - a woman willing to use her innocent appearance to allay suspicions and carry out a suicide bombing. At least 20 Muslim women have blown themselves up in such attacks.

Particularly disturbing was Cossor Ali's apparent intent to conceal the liquid trigger for a bomb in Zain's baby bottle when the family boarded a jetliner.

"It may be beyond belief, but we are convinced that there are now women in Britain who are prepared to die with their babies for their twisted cause," a security adviser to the British government told The Times of London.

"They are ruthless, single-minded and totally committed."

Cossor, a British citizen like her husband, lived with her parents and two older sisters before marrying Ali three years ago. The couple moved into the project and were receiving government assistance.

It's not known how they met, but Ali attended another school along with two others arrested last week - his brother, Hassan Abdullah Khan, 21, and a Pakistani-born man, Wahid Arafat Khan, 25.

Asan Khan and Waheed Khan are not related, but both attended the east London mosque Masjid e-Umer, where eight alleged members of the conspiracy met and which is now a focus of the investigation.

Ali, like the other two men, was recalled as a routine student when he attended Aveling Park School.

"He certainly wasn't the sort of person you would describe as radical when he was at school," a former student said. "He was just a normal boy who didn't stand out from the crowd."

British investigators have disclosed few details since the startling series of arrests last week triggered a sweeping series of security measures at airports, including restrictions on baby bottles and formulas.

Because of suspicions like those that fell on Cossor Ali, mothers are being required to taste babies' milk at airline check-ins before they are allowed to take it aboard aircraft.

Friends and relatives of members of the alleged plot say some suspects had recently visited Pakistan, where the conspiracy is believed to have been based.

Cossor's grandfather Nazir Ahmed, 84, said Ali made an unexpected visit to Pakistan about four weeks ago.

How can the west that is so wrapped up in apperances about fighting fair and by rules deal with such fanatics willing not only to kill themselves in order to kill westerners but to murder their own child as well.

Until we throw out the rule book and start fighting this war for real, killing as many Muslims as possible we will continue to live in fear.

We should be using pigs blood as part of out tactics, since dieing with pigs blood keeps the Muslims out of heaven, no 72 virgins for you pal..

Our bombs should be armed with pigs blood, when we interrogate prisoners we should gut a pig and sew the Muslims inside  and threaten to kill them inside the pig if they do not spill the beans on the other fanatics.


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on Aug 22, 2006
I dont agree that we have to throw the rule book out, but I do think we need to get serious about this.  The Democrats still have their heads in the sand, as do most of the Europeans.  Israel should have been allowed to finish the job they started.  That would have been a start.
on Aug 22, 2006
I, of course, throughly disagree Moderateman, but it is good to hear you full of piss and vinegar. I hope you're well.
on Aug 22, 2006

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Tuesday, August 22, 2006
I dont agree that we have to throw the rule book out, but I do think we need to get serious about this. The Democrats still have their heads in the sand, as do most of the Europeans. Israel should have been allowed to finish the job they started. That would have been a start.

We fight with rules, they don't. that gives them an advantage.

on Aug 22, 2006

Reply By: DeferencePosted: Tuesday, August 22, 2006
I, of course, throughly disagree Moderateman, but it is good to hear you full of piss and vinegar. I hope you're well.

What do you disagree with?

thank you I am doing a little better.

on Aug 22, 2006
I don't believe in giving our government the ability to torture people.

It would be a gurantee our soldiers would consistently face the worst treatment by any enemy if captured.

The lowering of the standard of military conduct would eventually trickle down to local police forces, which could end up with forced confessions and justice perverted.


One last thing, the tactics you've described could lead to increased anti-western sentiment. It's one thing if we capture, detain, and interrogate a suspected 'terrorist' only to find he's innocent. It's another thing to bathe him in pig's blood and rub against another guy until he 'tell's all'. Believe me, if he wasn't guilty this time of attempting to kill American soldiers, he will be next time you see him.
on Aug 22, 2006

We fight with rules, they don't. that gives them an advantage.

OUr advantage is our intelligence, and the fact it is a fight to the death.  Some know that, others do not.

on Aug 22, 2006
5 by Deference
Tue, August 22, 2006 4:54 PM


don't believe in giving our government the ability to torture people.


In a perfect world neither do I. but these are the same people that cut up 2 of our military, cut there cocks off and shoved them in there mouths then took pictures. and you want to treat these animals like humans?

It would be a guarantee our soldiers would consistently face the worst treatment by any enemy if captured.


Our captured military already are being treated totally inhumanly.
on Aug 22, 2006
#6 by Dr. Guy
Tue, August 22, 2006 5:07 PM


We fight with rules, they don't. that gives them an advantage.

OUr advantage is our intelligence, and the fact it is a fight to the death. Some know that, others do not.


doc? the left is hamstringing our intelligence. you know this, the one advantage we have we are losing.
on Aug 22, 2006
doc? the left is hamstringing our intelligence. you know this, the one advantage we have we are losing.


Losing, not lost. Let us try not to lose it before we become that which we fight.
on Aug 22, 2006
#9 by Dr. Guy
Tue, August 22, 2006 5:25 PM


Losing, not lost. Let us try not to lose it before we become that which we fight.


If we keep playing nice guys we are going to lose. Not just lose the war but lose any safety we have. we must play as dirty as they do or all is lost.
on Aug 22, 2006
Elie my mind is too tired to make a cooment pertaining to this blog but I figure I would give you more points by typng one anyways nothing to do with the subject but just giving me one more opportunity to tell you one more time today that I love you and and and NOW NOW NOW
on Aug 22, 2006
I'd rather us WIN first and worry about 'morality' later. - LW

If we keep playing nice guys we are going to lose. - MM

I understand you feel we may 'lose' if we cease our occupation of Iraq, MM. So could you define for me 'Winning'?

LW, what is Winning the Conflict in Iraq? 'Cause when we know we've won, we've a fair idea of when we can leave.

You remember what Draginol said, we've already won by accomplishing the objective of regime change. I don't think you or MM agree that we have won, so what else do we need to do?
on Aug 22, 2006
Formula for winning the war:

Step 1: at NASCAR race set up recruiting booth inside event and just outside of it.
Step 2: at NASCAR race announce to crowd that Osama Bin Laden bad-mouthed Dale Earnhardt
Step 3: at NASCAR race announce to crowd that Osama Bin Laden says U.S. gun control is the greatest thing ever.
Step 4: sign up recruits in crowd as quickly as possible and ship angry rednecks overseas to kick ass.

War over in just a few days. How to get the rednecks to stop celebrating after may be a more difficult problem, but hey, can't solve everything can we?
on Aug 22, 2006
Why bother getting them in the army? They'll buy their own tickets, and go over there, and we won't even need to worry about the rulebook anymore. "I'll show you control of a gun!"

I'm never flying again, if I can help it.
on Aug 22, 2006
I understand the barbarity shown to us by the enemy can easily tempt us to be as deranged as they are, but before we forget, the War is really a war for the "hearts and minds", not a war of body counts, or even for real estate. Muslims with a twisted ideology started this War. Muslims with a counter-ideology will end it. Part of our setbacks can be attributed to a failure to redirect our efforts towards this direction.
...I do like the terpfan solution, though.
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