America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~

This is why the west will lose to terrorists!  Fanatical terror suspect Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 25, and his wife, Cossor, 23, are among those being interrogated by police as suspects in the massive plot to attack trans-Atlantic flights in midair.

This couple who seemed so normal to friends and neighbors planned to use a liquid explosive in their babies bottle to MURDER A Jet full of people.

The Alis planned to use 6-month-old son Zain's baby bottle as a liquid bomb, blowing themselves and their child up, along with hundreds of others aboard the flight.

The child is now in the custody of its grandparents."Cossor was not someone I had an argument with, never any problems," said a shocked Bronwen Hammond, who attended London's Walthamstow School for Girls with her.

"She would wear the full Muslim outfit because of her parents, but she was never preaching," Hammond told The Mail on Sunday. "There were a lot more religious people at school."

But British security experts suspect that Cossor Ali is an example of a chilling phenomenon that is growing in popularity among the terror set - a woman willing to use her innocent appearance to allay suspicions and carry out a suicide bombing. At least 20 Muslim women have blown themselves up in such attacks.

Particularly disturbing was Cossor Ali's apparent intent to conceal the liquid trigger for a bomb in Zain's baby bottle when the family boarded a jetliner.

"It may be beyond belief, but we are convinced that there are now women in Britain who are prepared to die with their babies for their twisted cause," a security adviser to the British government told The Times of London.

"They are ruthless, single-minded and totally committed."

Cossor, a British citizen like her husband, lived with her parents and two older sisters before marrying Ali three years ago. The couple moved into the project and were receiving government assistance.

It's not known how they met, but Ali attended another school along with two others arrested last week - his brother, Hassan Abdullah Khan, 21, and a Pakistani-born man, Wahid Arafat Khan, 25.

Asan Khan and Waheed Khan are not related, but both attended the east London mosque Masjid e-Umer, where eight alleged members of the conspiracy met and which is now a focus of the investigation.

Ali, like the other two men, was recalled as a routine student when he attended Aveling Park School.

"He certainly wasn't the sort of person you would describe as radical when he was at school," a former student said. "He was just a normal boy who didn't stand out from the crowd."

British investigators have disclosed few details since the startling series of arrests last week triggered a sweeping series of security measures at airports, including restrictions on baby bottles and formulas.

Because of suspicions like those that fell on Cossor Ali, mothers are being required to taste babies' milk at airline check-ins before they are allowed to take it aboard aircraft.

Friends and relatives of members of the alleged plot say some suspects had recently visited Pakistan, where the conspiracy is believed to have been based.

Cossor's grandfather Nazir Ahmed, 84, said Ali made an unexpected visit to Pakistan about four weeks ago.

How can the west that is so wrapped up in apperances about fighting fair and by rules deal with such fanatics willing not only to kill themselves in order to kill westerners but to murder their own child as well.

Until we throw out the rule book and start fighting this war for real, killing as many Muslims as possible we will continue to live in fear.

We should be using pigs blood as part of out tactics, since dieing with pigs blood keeps the Muslims out of heaven, no 72 virgins for you pal..

Our bombs should be armed with pigs blood, when we interrogate prisoners we should gut a pig and sew the Muslims inside  and threaten to kill them inside the pig if they do not spill the beans on the other fanatics.


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on Aug 23, 2006
ok so we don't throw away the rule book, how about we fight by the same rules they fight by?


? Same difference? Trust me MM, I feel you. I feel the anger of fighting as if it was to be fair. As if this was an IROC (International Race Of Champions) race. But we made the rules for a reason, however I think that some of the rules should be revised and maybe we should do like Israel and just suffer the consiquences afterwards.
on Aug 23, 2006
33 by Charles.C
Wed, August 23, 2006 0:57 PM


we should do like Israel and just suffer the consiquences afterwards.


we fight with honor and rules , they hate us, why bother if they are going to hate us no matter what we do?
on Aug 23, 2006
we fight with honor and rules , they hate us, why bother if they are going to hate us no matter what we do?


It's true, but let's not let ourselves go too low either.
on Aug 23, 2006
#32 by Adventure-Dude
Wed, August 23, 2006 0:52 PM


Well, I think for starters instead of running skeleton operations let's prepare for a massive strike for a massive blow. But first need to release some of the chains from the intel's hands. There is a difference between interogation and beating the hell out of someone just because they are on the other side.


I agree, I remember a tactic used in vietnam, {not that I ever saw it or did it} You take 3 officers or 3 fighters up in a chopper, you ask the most jumior a question, no answer you toss him out of chopper at 2 thousand feet, you ask next junior, same results, by then the one that is left you have to slap to make them shut the fuck up!
on Aug 23, 2006
I have no truck with your vendetta, Moderateman, but three points here:

* How is it you know more than the British police do?
* If your name is Moderateman, how come a blog that is not moderate at all?
* Your choice of words: " since dying with pig's blood keeps the Muslims out of heaven"
is offensive (I am white, non-Muslim and a Christian). Why do some of you tar a group of people with the same brush? Are you afraid of something?

I seldom get furious about a blog but yours is "waaay" out of line!

Enuff said.
on Aug 23, 2006
#37 by adnauseam
Wed, August 23, 2006 1:59 PM


have no truck with your vendetta, Moderateman, but three points here:


truck?

* How is it you know more than the British police do?


Because I pay attention.

If your name is Moderateman, how come a blog that is not moderate at all?


Read my entire blog name in it you will find the following words "IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY NAME, TOUGH!"
Your choice of words: " since dying with pig's blood keeps the Muslims out of heaven"
is offensive (I am white, non-Muslim and a Christian). Why do some of you tar a group of people with the same brush? Are you afraid of something?



I see you need a disclaimer for the dense. obviously I am talking about the MUSLIM terrorists not every single Muslim on the planet.

seldom get furious about a blog but yours is "waaay" out of line!

Enuff said.


and your reply is wayyyyyyyyyyy out of line
more than enough said!
on Aug 23, 2006
38 by little-whip
Wed, August 23, 2006 2:01 PM


It's true, but let's not let ourselves go too low either.


You can't get much lower than dead.

I say we go for a win..."by whatever means necessary."


I guess being killed is ok with some here as long as we "look good" while dieing.

We have an excess of nukes I say we use a couple.
on Aug 23, 2006
You can't get much lower than dead.

I say we go for a win..."by whatever means necessary."

What choice do we really have?


Understood, but do you really feel that we should just throw away everything this country is, everything all US soldiers have died for, just so we can come down to the level of the scum of the world and attempt (attempt cause unless you can prove that this will be at least 90% effective it's not worth it) to eliminate them because they are determined to do us harm? Should we not also hold the rest of the world responsible for sitting by and allowing this to happen? How can any country site there and see how horrible these people (for the dumb ones, by people I mean the actual terrorist not every single muslim)are and not life a finger to end this horror simply because they have yet to be attacked or they don't think the attacks they've seen justify any action?
on Aug 23, 2006
I guess being killed is ok with some here as long as we "look good" while dieing.

We have an excess of nukes I say we use a couple.


If that's what you wanna believe and understand simply because we don't see it 100% exactly how you do, so be it. You have the right to believe what you want. However consider the fact that a nuke dropped anywhere in the Middle Eats will not only affect those caught in the blast but also the surrounding countries for a long, long time. Do you really want to have the suffering of countless people, no where near the blast and in no way responsible for it, on your hands just to kill a few, cause I would think it would take more than 1 or 2 nukes to do the job. Not to mention that we too would suffer the attack eventually.
on Aug 23, 2006
Dear Moderateman,
My final word is: If you think I am dense go back and read your own offensive scribbling.I'm an old man and could teach you a thing or two about writing crap.
It smacks of (sorry: "truck" means, in English, I have no quarrel with your intentions, for we all do get angry) and "smacks of" (I'm an English teacher: It means "sounds like"), so it smacks of a very angry young man who does not have the foggiest idea of tact, diplomacy or self-censorship.

I am not going to go into this any further because I have a long record with JU and I
have already broken one of my rules. I simply did not think your blog was appropriate, decent or worthwhile. In fact it was vulgar and crass (want a Thesaurus?).
on Aug 23, 2006
#43 by adnauseam
Wed, August 23, 2006 2:48 PM


Dear Moderateman,
My final word is: If you think I am dense go back and read your own offensive scribbling.I'm an old man and could teach you a thing or two about writing crap.
It smacks of (sorry: "truck" means, in English, I have no quarrel with your intentions, for we all do get angry) and "smacks of" (I'm an English teacher: It means "sounds like"), so it smacks of a very angry young man who does not have the foggiest idea of tact, diplomacy or self-censorship.

I am not going to go into this any further because I have a long record with JU and I
have already broken one of my rules. I simply did not think your blog was appropriate, decent or worthwhile. In fact it was vulgar and crass (want a Thesaurus?).


yes I can be crass and very offensive when it comes to my country.

I can appreciate you not agreeing with what I wrote, matter of fact I respect your views.

I have a year or two behind me also, 60 of them matter of fact, also a combat vet in vietnam {proudly served 1965 through 1966}

We can just agree to disagree on this.
on Aug 23, 2006
#42 by Charles.C
Wed, August 23, 2006 2:36 PM


guess being killed is ok with some here as long as we "look good" while dieing.

We have an excess of nukes I say we use a couple.


If that's what you wanna believe and understand simply because we don't see it 100% exactly how you do, so be it


me not seeing it your way is just the same as you not seeing it my way dj. WE can agree to disagree just like adnauseam and I.
on Aug 23, 2006
That's one of the things that make me crazy, america keps helping people that hate us. This makes no sense, none!


It's the Michael Corleone approach to foreign policy. "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."
on Aug 23, 2006
#46 by UBoB
Wed, August 23, 2006 3:45 PM


It's the Michael Corleone approach to foreign policy. "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."


but in the end michael got everyone that was his enemy all of them and most of them never saw it coming!
on Aug 23, 2006
but in the end michael got everyone that was his enemy all of them and most of them never saw it coming!


My point exactly MM. One day, metaphorically speaking, we will take them for a ride in the countryside. Pop! Pop! "Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
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