America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~

This is why the west will lose to terrorists!  Fanatical terror suspect Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 25, and his wife, Cossor, 23, are among those being interrogated by police as suspects in the massive plot to attack trans-Atlantic flights in midair.

This couple who seemed so normal to friends and neighbors planned to use a liquid explosive in their babies bottle to MURDER A Jet full of people.

The Alis planned to use 6-month-old son Zain's baby bottle as a liquid bomb, blowing themselves and their child up, along with hundreds of others aboard the flight.

The child is now in the custody of its grandparents."Cossor was not someone I had an argument with, never any problems," said a shocked Bronwen Hammond, who attended London's Walthamstow School for Girls with her.

"She would wear the full Muslim outfit because of her parents, but she was never preaching," Hammond told The Mail on Sunday. "There were a lot more religious people at school."

But British security experts suspect that Cossor Ali is an example of a chilling phenomenon that is growing in popularity among the terror set - a woman willing to use her innocent appearance to allay suspicions and carry out a suicide bombing. At least 20 Muslim women have blown themselves up in such attacks.

Particularly disturbing was Cossor Ali's apparent intent to conceal the liquid trigger for a bomb in Zain's baby bottle when the family boarded a jetliner.

"It may be beyond belief, but we are convinced that there are now women in Britain who are prepared to die with their babies for their twisted cause," a security adviser to the British government told The Times of London.

"They are ruthless, single-minded and totally committed."

Cossor, a British citizen like her husband, lived with her parents and two older sisters before marrying Ali three years ago. The couple moved into the project and were receiving government assistance.

It's not known how they met, but Ali attended another school along with two others arrested last week - his brother, Hassan Abdullah Khan, 21, and a Pakistani-born man, Wahid Arafat Khan, 25.

Asan Khan and Waheed Khan are not related, but both attended the east London mosque Masjid e-Umer, where eight alleged members of the conspiracy met and which is now a focus of the investigation.

Ali, like the other two men, was recalled as a routine student when he attended Aveling Park School.

"He certainly wasn't the sort of person you would describe as radical when he was at school," a former student said. "He was just a normal boy who didn't stand out from the crowd."

British investigators have disclosed few details since the startling series of arrests last week triggered a sweeping series of security measures at airports, including restrictions on baby bottles and formulas.

Because of suspicions like those that fell on Cossor Ali, mothers are being required to taste babies' milk at airline check-ins before they are allowed to take it aboard aircraft.

Friends and relatives of members of the alleged plot say some suspects had recently visited Pakistan, where the conspiracy is believed to have been based.

Cossor's grandfather Nazir Ahmed, 84, said Ali made an unexpected visit to Pakistan about four weeks ago.

How can the west that is so wrapped up in apperances about fighting fair and by rules deal with such fanatics willing not only to kill themselves in order to kill westerners but to murder their own child as well.

Until we throw out the rule book and start fighting this war for real, killing as many Muslims as possible we will continue to live in fear.

We should be using pigs blood as part of out tactics, since dieing with pigs blood keeps the Muslims out of heaven, no 72 virgins for you pal..

Our bombs should be armed with pigs blood, when we interrogate prisoners we should gut a pig and sew the Muslims inside  and threaten to kill them inside the pig if they do not spill the beans on the other fanatics.


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on Aug 22, 2006

...I do like the terpfan solution, though.

I am partial to Bobby Allison.

on Aug 22, 2006
#11 by little-whip
Tue, August 22, 2006 5:34 PM


It's no fun being right if yer dead.


what the anti-war weenies do not seem to understand is these people are in this for the win and I mean win at any cost. Whereas America is worried about what people that already hate us think about us.

I say lets celebrate Nagasaki and Hiroshima the right way and touch off a couple, Damascus and Tehran come to mind.
on Aug 22, 2006
#12 by Gimpyone
Tue, August 22, 2006 5:55 PM


I love you too michele.
on Aug 22, 2006
#13 by Deference
Tue, August 22, 2006 5:56 PM


understand you feel we may 'lose' if we cease our occupation of Iraq, MM. So could you define for me 'Winning'?


I have no problem with leaving Iraq, none at all. Let them kill eachother. By leaving Iraq, Iran would not be so brave.
on Aug 22, 2006
The truth is....it won't stop until they're all dead. They're much too fanatical and they'll keep fighting....and the ones that don't fight will keep recruiting, and it keeps going, a cycle. We need to hit them hard...wipe out all or almost all of them or it's going to go on forever. I don't know why we worry about the people that hate us...we need to worry about the people that want us there...there are some, believe it or not. Either that or we call it quits and get the hell out of there...but I don't think that's going to happen....

Here's a book that you all might want to read if you're interested in the Iraq War... Ahmad's War, Ahmad's Peace. It's an interesting read...even though I didn't finish it.

~Zoo
on Aug 23, 2006
I don’t agree with the idea of throwing away the rulebook, I do agree that we are being waaaaay to cautious. We are not only “going by the book”, we are actually acting like people who are gonna cross an intersection and look 4 time in every direction before being sure there are no cars coming. But to throw away the rulebook is to go against everything this country was built on, what those soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan and all other wars died for, our image, our beliefs.

I agree we need to step up our efforts, we have so much great tech that it’s a shame we need to put so many of our soldiers lives in danger. What ever happened to all those spy satellites we are suppose to have, how is it that we don’t know exactly where all these weapons are? How is it that we can’t see where they are hiding?

We are gonna have to except the fact that because of our beliefs, laws, rules and needs that we are gonna have to find a new more effective way to deal with this threat without breaking the rules, maybe bending them a little. I know this is asking for a lot, but I think it is possible. Maybe we can change the rules a little, a way to deal with these people who don’t play by the rules better. Once can dream.

Maybe we can get our hands a little dirty if we are gonna be accused of it anyways, just not to this extreme.
on Aug 23, 2006
16 by scatter629
Tue, August 22, 2006 6:41 PM


understand the barbarity shown to us by the enemy can easily tempt us to be as deranged as they are, but before we forget, the War is really a war for the "hearts and minds", not a war of body counts, or even for real estate. Muslims with a twisted ideology started this War. Muslims with a counter-ideology will end it. Part of our setbacks can be attributed to a failure to redirect our efforts towards this direction.
...I do like the terpfan solution, though.


their "hearts and minds" already belong to ALLAH, what makes you think we can do anything to change that?
on Aug 23, 2006
21 by Zoologist03
Tue, August 22, 2006 8:36 PM


The truth is....it won't stop until they're all dead. They're much too fanatical and they'll keep fighting....and the ones that don't fight will keep recruiting, and it keeps going, a cycle. We need to hit them hard...wipe out all or almost all of them or it's going to go on forever. I don't know why we worry about the people that hate us...we need to worry about the people that want us there...there are some, believe it or not. Either that or we call it quits and get the hell out of there...but I don't think that's going to happen....


That's one of the things that make me crazy, america keps helping people that hate us. This makes no sense, none!
on Aug 23, 2006
(their "hearts and minds" already belong to ALLAH, what makes you think we can do anything to change that?) - Moderateman

WE can't, but Muslims can and they will.
on Aug 23, 2006
WE can't, but Muslims can and they will.


You really believe they can and will change?
on Aug 23, 2006
MM,

I agree that we are more worried about how we fight from an ethical standpoint rather than winning the war. Those who are criticizing us about how we fight the war are the ones JUST AS GUILTY if not more guilty than we are. For some reason many lefties think well if we are nice to them they'll be nice to us. That's a load of BS. Untie their hands and allow them to get the job done! I don't agree with throwing the book away but if we don't learn the lesson from Rome we will only follow their course.
on Aug 23, 2006
26 by scatter629
Wed, August 23, 2006 11:07 AM


their "hearts and minds" already belong to ALLAH, what makes you think we can do anything to change that?) - Moderateman

WE can't, but Muslims can and they will.


scatter? did you se the hundreds of thousands of Muslims going nuts about a cartoon of the prophet? Did you see the same muslims calling for death over abu grahib?

Where are these sane Muslims that are going to change the words of the koran? you know which words, about the killing of infidels.
on Aug 23, 2006
28 by Adventure-Dude
Wed, August 23, 2006 11:55 AM


we don't learn the lesson from Rome we will only follow their course.


as long as rome was doing "PAX ROMANA" there was no problem rome fell because of decadence and morality.
on Aug 23, 2006
#23 by Charles.C
Wed, August 23, 2006 08:54 AM


don’t agree with the idea of throwing away the rulebook,


ok so we don't throw away the rule book, how about we fight by the same rules they fight by?
on Aug 23, 2006
as long as rome was doing "PAX ROMANA" there was no problem rome fell because of decadence and morality.


my point exactly!

ok so we don't throw away the rule book, how about we fight by the same rules they fight by?


Well, I think for starters instead of running skeleton operations let's prepare for a massive strike for a massive blow. But first need to release some of the chains from the intel's hands. There is a difference between interogation and beating the hell out of someone just because they are on the other side. The latter will just keep the pot brewing and I don't agree with that. The problem with fighting with their rules will only tie our hands when trying to promote peace in the future. This would be the fingers pointing back at us. That is at least a start to my thoughts for this.
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