Coretta Scott King, Why all the fuss?

on Feb 13, 2006

Reply By: davad70Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006You know davad, you've got some nerve coming on this blog and saying this crap! If you take the time to read all of his blogs you will see what type of person and thinker he is. He doesn't regurgitate anything! Learn facts before you spit at people.I was referring to him regurgitating the same tired line that Dr Guy always throws at me about not "throwing stuff out there without any facts". Sorry, but I'm getting tired of hearing that when it's not true. If it were, they would show examples like I asked.

see again typical behavior from a lefty, demanding that the rest of us show YOU where you are wrong you seem to love the nice word form vomit {regurgitate} could it be you have been vomiting the same old tired tag lines and talking head points of the left you can no longer see an original thought when it hits you in the face?

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Moderateman

on Feb 13, 2006

#88 by ParaTed2k
Monday, February 13, 2006

So I guess we should expect Bill Cosby

oh no not bill, after all he wants to hold ALL BLACKS accountable for thier own actions and behavior.

Walter E. Williams

yikes I do not know this one so they cannot be important enough to have such honors {yuk yuk}

Colin Powell

nope not colin, he ain't black enough.. oh well

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Myrrander

on Feb 13, 2006

wow a wonderful condensed version of how I feel. damned insiteful myrr

Thanks, Mod.

And perusing some of these other posts, I see that LW's former KKK membership makes her unable to comment (for some) on this funeral. Well, me and LW done butted heads so many times that each of us has a callous on our respective foreheads with the other's name on it...but FUCK THAT.

I don't even want to pull all the quotes out of the haystack to bitch about, but you can that "get out from under your sheet" shit up front, I'll provide the can. Even when I disagree with LW, I do it with the understanding that she has a pretty good understanding about how this "race thing" works. If we don't agree with each other's conclusions, then so be it, but I can't say other than she has a feel for the thang.

I thought that Mrs. King's funeral was a fucking orgy of bullshit. And I also though that if that dead lady had a say in the matter, it would have been different. Mrs. King didn't even support Jesse Jackson in his runs for President, did you know? And so her views on "the movement" were most likely different from yours, as they were different from many after Martin's death -- that's why she was regulated to this "icon" status -- which galled the FUCK out of her.

So you folks pay attention, will you? And I don't wear a sheet, but according "you," I might as well be wearing one. And if that puts me in the camp of LW and Mod and Baker and others on this issue, then I'll just go to the campfire and laugh and grill my fucking hot dogs and marshmellows because the so-called "conseratives" have a fucking point here. I love Jimmy Carter, yet he was a fool in this instance. You see?

cheers

mike

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Moderateman

on Feb 13, 2006

91 by Myrrander
Monday, February 13, 2006

So you folks pay attention, will you? And I don't wear a sheet, but according "you," I might as well be wearing one. And if that puts me in the camp of LW and Mod and Baker and others on this issue, then I'll just go to the campfire and laugh and grill my fucking hot dogs and marshmellows because the so-called "conseratives" have a fucking point here. I love Jimmy Carter, yet he was a fool in this instance. You see?

cheers

mike

you are pissing into a 140 mile an hour wind, trying to reason with the unreasonable, but watch your shoes and keep keeping on.

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Dr Guy

on Feb 13, 2006

I was referring to him regurgitating the same tired line that DrGuy always throws at me about not "throwing stuff out there without any facts". Sorry, but I'm getting tired of hearing that when it's not true. If it were, they would show examples like I asked.

The problem is it is true. You have still to show where it is not. You might want to get your new ally in that. But I dont think she will back you up. Fair weather friends and all.

We dont throw it out, you dont do it! Want to link? Or just do projectile vomiting?

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Myrrander

on Feb 13, 2006

you are pissing into a 140 mile an hour wind,

I keep making piss and needing to put it somewhere...

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Moderateman

on Feb 13, 2006

93 by Dr. Guy
Monday, February 13, 2006

Or just do projectile vomiting?

all right! enough with the vomit.. sheesh...

unless davad can make his head do a 360 and shoot green pea soup that is.

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davad70

on Feb 13, 2006

Moderateman:

see again typical behavior from a lefty, demanding that the rest of us show YOU where you are wrong you seem to love the nice word form vomit {regurgitate} could it be you have been vomiting the same old tired tag lines and talking head points of the left you can no longer see an original thought when it hits you in the face?

You are the one throwing out the tired old lines. You've made accusations against me in this thread without showing anything that supports your claim.

Examples;

I have noticed you throw stuff out there with not a single fact to back up what you try to put forth.

I asked you to show me examples, because I don't believe I do that.

I hear you dj, trying to explain anything to a pseudo-intellectual {phony} is impossible because they think they are so much smarter that we are.

I've never claimed to be smarter than anyone around here, in fact I've often stated just the opposite.

see again typical behavior from a lefty, demanding that the rest of us show YOU where you are wrong you seem to love the nice word form vomit {regurgitate} could it be you have been vomiting the same old tired tag lines and talking head points of the left you can no longer see an original thought when it hits you in the face?

If you're going to make accusations against people, you don't think you should give an example? In all the time I've been here I only recall using the word regurgitate once before this time. I'm not one of the ones around here calling people idiot, telling them they need to go back to school, etc. I'd ask for examples of these "tired tag lines" you're referring to, but I know that's nto the way you operate.

DJBandit:

I don't see your point, I guess my mentality is not up to your standards. Was I suppose to say something different? Maybe an African female or dark skined girl? Is this all you know what to do, nit-pick? You see one little thing and bam, everything else is useless? No wonder you get so steamed up with DrGuy. I don't understand, what exactly did I say wrong there? If it is not a problem for you to point out seeing that you like to point things out but never really say what you mean.

I'm sorry I didn't have time to respond earlier, but I had to go to work and didn't have time to say more at the time. My point was that I couldn't believe you would use a generality like "I hear they (black girls) are freaky" in a thread about Coretta Scott King. To me, that's not much different than saying "I hear they like fried chicken", ala Fuzzy Zoeller. But then again, maybe it's ok to make racials generalizations around here.

There was nothing in my post intended to say anything about your "mentality" or intelligence. As I said above, I don't claim to be smarter than anyone here. I didn't even go to college, I went in the Army instead. If anyone around here takes the way I write as a wanna be "pseudo-intellectual" then I can't help that, but I can tell you that it's definitely not my intention.

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Myrrander

on Feb 13, 2006

P.S. SOMEBODY here has to be the liberal voice of goddamned reason here, and it might as well be me.

This funeral didn't serve inner-city kids any better than they've been served before, and this funeral didn't end poverty like MLK wanted any better than before and this funeral didn't do SHIT that came before.

Martin Luther King and Coretta Scott King wanted there to be a greater democracy, and they wanted that democracy to be achieved under peaceful, FOR GOD, circumstances.

We can all draw inspiration from the lives of these two people, but the "make-it-right" fest that was Coretta's funeral? That wasn't anything. That wasn't us all living in unison, that was belated guilt holding over until this time. You want her death to mean something? Then you go volunteer. You make the plight of minorities in your community better by maintaining that you'll only buy from those manufacturers and those FAST FOOD PLACES that pay equal wages.

I was a fast food manager for many years through college. You want a cheap taco? Hamburger? Then you'll pay exploitative wages. If you don't, then FIND OUT SHIT and then don't. Otherwise, SHUT UP. Because you don't know anything about "the movement" other than what you read in text books.

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Moderateman

on Feb 13, 2006

#97 by Myrrander
Monday, February 13, 2006

P.S. SOMEBODY here has to be the liberal voice of goddamned reason here, and it might as well be me.

now I am afraid. heh I guess bad form is only bad form when the right does it.
The display at her funeral was not only bad form but damned disrespectful.

Now let us see if the other liberals here jump your bones myrr.

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Myrrander

on Feb 13, 2006

Let'em jump, Mod. I don't give a damn, not from left or right or anybody. I saw what I saw and it was a circus around a dead body.

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Moderateman

on Feb 13, 2006

#99 by Myrrander
Monday, February 13, 2006

it was a circus around a dead body.

perfect description.. wow.. ok what have you done to micheal? heh, just kiding.

No one seems to want to grant that what the left did that day was wrong and totally uncalled for.

If we did the same during the reagan funeral the left and the MSM would have still been screaming foul.

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Myrrander

on Feb 13, 2006

OK, I'll give you Michael for a second: Reagan's funeral was a circus, too. Mrs. King's funeral reminded me of nothing so much than R.W. Reagan's.

The grandstanding at both funerals was not necessary. I'll fuck with both funerals, I'm no respector of persons. But here we are in this conversation about this funeral. come what may.

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cmorton

on Feb 14, 2006

'She stood for peace'
Born in Marion, Alabama, on April 27, 1927, Coretta Scott graduated as valedictorian of her high school class and attended Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio. She received a B.A. in music and education and then studied concert singing at the New England Conservatory of Music in Boston, Massachusetts. She got a degree in voice and violin, according to her biography.

While there, she met a theology student from Atlanta, Martin Luther King Jr., who was pursuing a doctorate at Boston University. They married on June 18, 1953, in her hometown of Marion.

As the young pastor began his civil rights work in Montgomery, Alabama, Coretta Scott King worked closely with him, organizing marches and sit-ins at segregated restaurants while raising their four children: Yolanda Denise, Martin Luther III, Dexter Scott and Bernice Albertine.

Mrs. King performed in "Freedom Concerts," singing and reading poetry to raise money for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the organization which Dr. King led as its first president.

For those of you who are still qestioning Coretta Scott King. The family endured the beating, stabbing and jailing of the civil rights leader, and their house was bombed.

When James Earl Ray killed her husband in Memphis in 1968, just prior to a planned march, Mrs. King organized his funeral, then "went to Memphis and finished the march," the Rev. Jesse Jackson said Tuesday.

"She was a staunch freedom fighter," he added.

Mrs. King turned her grief into the nurturing of her husband's legacy. The year her husband was killed, she established The King Center. A year later, she published her memoir, "My Life with Martin Luther King, Jr."

She spoke out "on behalf of racial and economic justice, women's and children's rights, gay and lesbian dignity, religious freedom, the needs of the poor and homeless, full employment, health care, educational opportunities, nuclear disarmament and ecological sanity," according to her biography.

Mrs. King and three of her children were even arrested in 1985 while protesting apartheid at the South African embassy in Washington, according to her official biography.

"I believe what Coretta Scott King would want us to do is continue this march toward progress when it comes to disability rights, women's rights, civil rights -- and not retreat from it," said Sen. Ted Kennedy, a Democrat from Massachusetts.

"She wore her grief with dignity," said the Rev. Joseph Lowery, former president of the SCLC, who worked on civil rights with Dr. King in the 1950's. "She moved quietly but forcefully into the fray. She stood for peace in the midst of turmoil."

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DJBandit

on Feb 14, 2006

I'm sorry I didn't have time to respond earlier, but I had to go to work and didn't have time to say more at the time. My point was that I couldn't believe you would use a generality like "I hear they (black girls) are freaky" in a thread about Coretta Scott King. To me, that's not much different than saying "I hear they like fried chicken", ala Fuzzy Zoeller. But then again, maybe it's ok to make racials generalizations around here.

You see this is where your problem lies. You take things too serious and word for word. What's the problem with saying what I said? I was meant as a joke but I knew some would not get it or see it that way. BTW It was true that I heard about these comments and that is nothing wrong because I never stated every single black females. Generalizing about people is common in this world and I don't see the big deal. So I have also heard that Puertoricans are stupid, that colombians speak better spanish than most latinos, that sorority girls (duh, no such thing as sorority boys) are bimbos or horny toads. For crying out load most people think muslims are dangerous people and I doubt that not even you would feel OK having one near by wondering if he is a sleeper cell or not, just like I can't help but fear most black people who dress like hoodlums. Heck, I've never had a black guy (or anyone for that matter) rob me, point a gun at me or even threaten to kill me for no reason. That doesn't negate the fact that the top 3 most dangerous places in Miami are #3 Carol City, #2 Liberty City and #1 Overtown (at least they were before I left 2 years ago) and they all happen to be about 75% blacks residents and the about 20% latino. That says enough for me.

I don't deny I may stereotype from time to time, not intentionally, but I am only reacting to the world around me. I am generalized as being stupid because I'm Puertorican by background even though I can be smarter than the average Cuban or Puertorican or most latinos for that matter. I'm not a genius, but I'm a pretty smart guy. I'm not too good at history or politics, but I learn quick if I put my mind to it.

This isn't a perfect world, and until I can get a taste of many black females and see that not all of them are freaky (please don't confuse me with a player cause I'm not), then I can say with complete knowledge that it's not true, for now I will only have the wording on the street to back up my claim.

I've never claimed to be smarter than anyone around here, in fact I've often stated just the opposite.

I believe that for a person to never conceed to an argument is a person who considers him or herself smarter. You don't ever give up on any argument, even one when you claim you don't consider yourself smart but by fighting it with teeth and nails that you are not your pointing out that you are smarter than the person arguing with you because you won't take his answer over yours cause you just can't be wrong.

You don't directly have to say what you mean to get people to understand.

There was nothing in my post intended to say anything about your "mentality" or intelligence.

It's not easy to not see it when most of your post, as to what I've read between you and DrGuy or you and MM, that you do tend to insult the inteligence of others very often, and I'm sure that you will want me to point it out to you where because you yourself seem to be blind to it but I will not because I believe that most people are smart enough see what they really do but not brave enough to admit it. Besides, your only response will be I'm nit-picking so it will be pointless to do it. I'm not too fond of arguments where people use , what I consider, cheap shots or loap holes to get away from losing a debate. With the exception of Col, he's just fun to argue with, kinda like Howard Stern, I wanna see what he will say next.