Open discussion, GITMO

OK NOW WHAT?

Published on June 14, 2005 By Moderateman In Politics

I have been sidelined with the flu and since I have no immune system, anything I catch lays me low.

The question I want to ask is.

OK we close gitmo, now what?

Lets try to keep politics out of this and discuss what do we do with these killers and terrorist, where do they go, home? American prisons? where, at whos expense? who is in charge of them, how do we treat them?

Comments (Page 4)

Moderateman

on Jun 16, 2005

Reply By: Reiki-HousePosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005The issue isn't that simple modman. Not at all. First we have to see and understand that the men and children at Gitmo have for the most part been swept up by something way beyond their control. Don't misunderstand the situations that ended with them sitting in Cuba. The naive think there was a firefight with some 'insurgents' somewhere and the enemy prisoners of war from those battles were taken for interrogation. The reality is that the US paid warlords, greedy warlords, for each 'suspect' they brought in which of course resulted in huge nets of people whether militant or civilian. I shudder to think of the horrific torture that goes on there. AbuGraib would look like a fun resort in comparison solely because there is no chance of outside influences taking advantage of the reality that occurs there. The solution, or a solution, could be to open the doors to the public in some form. Of course that would never happen but if it did, the people would find out a CHR of what goes on in the torture chambers. It's kind of ironic. Sadaam's jails became US jails. Sadaam's torture rooms became the US's torture rooms. Sadaam's evil guards became the US's evil guards. Sadaam's abuse became the US's abuse. Don't think people there don't understand that reality. They're not stupid. They see the duplicity close up.

reiki? sit down ok?

ready?

I agree, america has made many bad choices, supporting the wrong player for the wrong reasons.

Moderateman

on Jun 16, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005I know, but the prison still exists. A few renovations, upgrade the security perimeter and reopen it. Still, it's probably a bad example anyway as it's probably little more than a run-down museum by now.It does have possibilities. being in San fran and all, the hotbed of liberalism.But you are correct, it is a poorly maintained museum.

um no thank you sanfran is 55 miles away and that is just to close for me.

Moderateman

on Jun 16, 2005

--Reality?...Exactly what is that these days...

um lucas , watch "reality" tv and then do the complete opposite.. that's reality. lololo

The Original Vune

on Jun 16, 2005

--Sadly...IMO,those we know are definantly terrorists, I say we gas them...they,IMO, have given up there rights as humans when they helped murder others...

And if you gassed them, thereby killing them, that would be a good solution how? Surely you are becoming what you are trying to fight?

The Original Vune

on Jun 16, 2005

You know maso I've asked this question before and have not got an answer yet. Just what crime would you charge them with? Found guilty? Of what? Get it right old man. War does NOT go hand in hand with the criminal justice system.

But are there not international standards for how prisoners of war are to be treated?

I know people will argue they are not POWs but they have to be something. If they can't be treated as criminals, and also not treated as POWs then what are they to be treated as?

The Original Vune

on Jun 16, 2005

There seems to be a general feeling on here that these guys are eithe all guilty of some crime that they can not be charged with because they are not criminals in the conventional sense

my mind's just given way!

The Original Vune

on Jun 16, 2005

discuss what do we do with these killers and terrorist

My vote would be to start seperating the ones who are terrorists and killers from the ones who are not and then start dealing with them!

I agree that the situation is somewhat complex but if you are accusing someone of something then surely they are innocent or guilty, maybe not in a legal sense but surely it is something that has to be established in a moral sense

Dr Guy

on Jun 16, 2005

There seems to be a general feeling on here that these guys are eithe all guilty of some crime that they can not be charged with because they are not criminals in the conventional sense my mind's just given way!

You are correct. There is no law in the civilian courts to try them on since their crimes were committed in a foreign country.

They are guilty of being civilian combatants in a war zone. In other words, they backed the wrong horse. SO they are not POWs. They wore no uniform of any sovereign nation, yet they tried to kill American Soldiers. That may not be a big deal to you, but most Americans find that to be a capital offense. The only difference is that it was not carried out on the battlefield.

Can you say dead men walking?

The Original Vune

on Jun 16, 2005

They are guilty of being civilian combatants in a war zone

Do we know for certain that every single person being held at Gitmo is?

Dr Guy

on Jun 16, 2005

Do we know for certain that every single person being held at Gitmo is?

Well, lets see. Did we go into downtown Ridyah and look for them? No. Did we pick them up when we were fighting the taliban in Afganistan? Yes.

Can you connect the dots?

drmiler

on Jun 16, 2005

#50 by The Original Vune
Thursday, June 16, 2005

--Sadly...IMO,those we know are definantly terrorists, I say we gas them...they,IMO, have given up there rights as humans when they helped murder others...

And if you gassed them, thereby killing them, that would be a good solution how? Surely you are becoming what you are trying to fight?

So if we had killed them on the field of battle, would it then be a different story?

-----

on Jun 16, 2005

um lucas , watch "reality" tv and then do the complete opposite.. that's reality. lololo

--I was being sarcastic...

And if you gassed them, thereby killing them, that would be a good solution how? Surely you are becoming what you are trying to fight?

--If "becoming" what they are ends even a slight bit of there threat...then ok...IMO...

Island Dog

on Jun 16, 2005

I know people will argue they are not POWs but they have to be something. If they can't be treated as criminals, and also not treated as POWs then what are they to be treated as?

They are to be treated as the terrorists as they are. Why people go out of their way to defend these "people" I just don't get. These "people" would kill you in an instant because you are an infidel. How about we take them out of Gitmo and ship them to your house so you can keep an eye on them?

Dr Guy

on Jun 16, 2005

They are to be treated as the terrorists as they are.

no, they are being treated a lot better. 3 hots and a flop is not bad when it costs you nothing.

Moderateman

on Jun 16, 2005

Reply By: The Original VunePosted: Thursday, June 16, 2005You know maso I've asked this question before and have not got an answer yet. Just what crime would you charge them with? Found guilty? Of what? Get it right old man. War does NOT go hand in hand with the criminal justice system.But are there not international standards for how prisoners of war are to be treated?

how about ummmmmm treating them like OH TERRORIST.?

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