Name Them or stfu

Put up or shut up

Published on January 24, 2005 By Moderateman In Politics

Each time I rail against the Democratic party I get this thrown in my face:" There are plenty of Democrats willing to work with President Bush and the Republicans"< ok GIve me a list of members of the Senate and house that have come out and actually done more than "say" they will work with Bush,as of 2004 to date!

If you cannot back up your words with facts keep this mention out of my blog sight.

When you accuse me of mindless rhetoric, and spew the same crap at me how can you expect reasonable discourse?

I can fling Insult as well as the next guy, I can be just as unreasonable as the next person.
I can spew rhetoric and discontent as good as any democrat.

This is an opportunity fror reasonable discussion. Not some kind of trap. Use this if you dare. Be prepared to back up your stuff with FACTS, truth, and some common courtesy and I will return same.

\ If you want WAR I can give it to you, If you want PEACE I can give that to you also.

Comments (Page 1)

drmiler

on Jan 24, 2005

Name Them or stfu

By: Moderateman
Posted: Monday, January 24, 2005 on Ramblings of a twisted mind
Message Board: Politics
Each time I rail against the Democratic party I get this thrown in my face:" There are plenty of Democrats willing to work with President Bush and the Republicans"< ok GIve me a list of members of the Senate and house that have come out and actually done more than "say" they will work with Bush,as of 2004 to date!

If you cannot back up your words with facts keep this mention out of my blog sight.

When you accuse me of mindless rhetoric, and spew the same crap at me how can you expect reasonable discourse?

I can fling Insult as well as the next guy, I can be just as unreasonable as the next person.
I can spew rhetoric and discontent as good as any democrat.

This is an opportunity fror reasonable discussion. Not some kind of trap. Use this if you dare. Be prepared to back up your stuff with FACTS, truth, and some common courtesy and I will return same.

\ If you want WAR I can give it to you, If you want PEACE I can give that to you also.

If they want war, I got your back.

Manopeace

on Jan 24, 2005

If you want war...read my thread on how to win them first...

Link

thatoneguyinslc

on Jan 24, 2005

Here's a list for you guys...

1.Rep. Jim Matheson (D) Utah. Votes repub more than 50% of the time. Skipped DNC convention. Son of the greatest governor we ever had.
2. Sen. Harry Reid (D) Nevada. A good party moderate and now the minority leader. Very much a conscience voter and a mormon to boot.
3. Sen Joe Leiberman (D) Conneticut. I dare you to call him a liberal.
4. Henry Waxman (D) California. A liberal, but votes with the repubs on a lot of issues. I seem to remember one of you righties thinking he was a repub recently.

5. Rep. Bob Menendez (D) California. Moderate chair of the Democratic house caucus who was a champion of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004
6. Rep. Harold Ford (D) Tennessee. Moderate In 2002, Ford teamed up with Rep. Tom Osborne (R-NE) to author the "Call to Service Act," and serves on quite a few financial commitees.

Two of those listed (Reid and Menendez) are serious players in the Democratic party. Joe is extremely influential, Waxman and Ford have clout, and Matheson has the connections to the repubs.
Also, Barack Obama is a moderate and has signaled a willingness to work with dubya on some issues.

I could go on, but i think you get the idea.

Now STFU already!

Dr Guy

on Jan 24, 2005

2. Sen. Harry Reid (D) Nevada. A good party moderate and now the minority leader. Very much a conscience voter and a mormon to boot.
3. Sen Joe Leiberman (D) Conneticut. I dare you to call him a liberal.

Hmmmm.....I dont remember seeing them voting against the democrats to stop the filibuster of the Judicial Nominees. Maybe I missed them?

He did not ask for moderates (and Waxman is an asshole, not a moderate), but people who are defying the leadership of their party to try to work with Bush. Reid has threatened to continue Daschle's filibuster tactics. That is hardly working with the President.

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Monday, January 24, 2005Here's a list for you guys...1.Rep. Jim Matheson (D) Utah. Votes repub more than 50% of the time. Skipped DNC convention. Son of the greatest governor we ever had.2. Sen. Harry Reid (D) Nevada. A good party moderate and now the minority leader. Very much a conscience voter and a mormon to boot.3. Sen Joe Leiberman (D) Conneticut. I dare you to call him a liberal.4. Henry Waxman (D) California. A liberal, but votes with the repubs on a lot of issues. I seem to remember one of you righties thinking he was a repub recently. 5. Rep. Bob Menendez (D) California. Moderate chair of the Democratic house caucus who was a champion of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 20046. Rep. Harold Ford (D) Tennessee. Moderate In 2002, Ford teamed up with Rep. Tom Osborne (R-NE) to author the "Call to Service Act," and serves on quite a few financial commitees.Two of those listed (Reid and Menendez) are serious players in the Democratic party. Joe is extremely influential, Waxman and Ford have clout, and Matheson has the connections to the repubs.Also, Barack Obama is a moderate and has signaled a willingness to work with dubya on some issues.I could go on, but i think you get the idea.Now STFU already!

OK at least you took a fair shot... nice to see one resonable one here.. I thank you.

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Monday, January 24, 20052. Sen. Harry Reid (D) Nevada. A good party moderate and now the minority leader. Very much a conscience voter and a mormon to boot.3. Sen Joe Leiberman (D) Conneticut. I dare you to call him a liberal.Hmmmm.....I dont remember seeing them voting against the democrats to stop the filibuster of the Judicial Nominees. Maybe I missed them?He did not ask for moderates (and Waxman is an asshole, not a moderate), but people who are defying the leadership of their party to try to work with Bush. Reid has threatened to continue Daschle's filibuster tactics. That is hardly working with the President.

ya but he at least, unlike the others took a fair shot and thats enough for me to declare peace at least with him,, frell the others.

Myrrander

on Jan 24, 2005

*laugh*

Any list of Democrats will be attacked because they won't have fulfilled every single little iota of what you expect of them. Because, in fact, they aren't Republicans -- so they won't work with Bush every single time.

So, it's really a pointless thread, because the left's ideas of what constitutes cooperation and your own are different. Your "peace" and "war" line makes me laugh because you all you want is conflict.

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply By: MyrranderPosted: Monday, January 24, 2005*laugh*Any list of Democrats will be attacked because they won't have fulfilled every single little iota of what you expect of them. Because, in fact, they aren't Republicans -- so they won't work with Bush every single time. So, it's really a pointless thread, because the left's ideas of what constitutes cooperation and your own are different. Your "peace" and "war" line makes me laugh because you all you want is conflict

Did you see me attack anyone here? hmmmmm maybe your hope is for constant bickering, but I WANT discussion and peace,myrr.

Myrrander

on Jan 24, 2005

No, you want people to list names so that you can nitpick them to death. No Democrat will please you unless they act just like a Republican.

drmiler

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #2 By: Manopeace - 1/24/2005 4:58:42 AM
If you want war...read my thread on how to win them first...

We don't need your link. You win through *superior* firepower.

drmiler

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #7 By: Myrrander - 1/24/2005 10:07:58 AM
*laugh*

Any list of Democrats will be attacked because they won't have fulfilled every single little iota of what you expect of them. Because, in fact, they aren't Republicans -- so they won't work with Bush every single time.

I got some serious news for you Mr. oneway. The republicans won't work with him *every* time either.

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #9 By: Myrrander - 1/24/2005 2:21:46 PM
No, you want people to list names so that you can nitpick them to death. No Democrat will please you unless they act just like a Republican.

have you seen me nitpicking? here and now? hmmmmmmmm????

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #10 By: drmiler - 1/24/2005 2:24:57 PM

Reply #2 By: Manopeace - 1/24/2005 4:58:42 AM
If you want war...read my thread on how to win them first...

We don't need your link. You win through *superior* firepower.

or just having a bigger cyberMOUTH!! and I do have that. lol

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #11 By: drmiler - 1/24/2005 2:27:44 PM
Reply #7 By: Myrrander - 1/24/2005 10:07:58 AM
*laugh*

Any list of Democrats will be attacked because they won't have fulfilled every single little iota of what you expect of them. Because, in fact, they aren't Republicans -- so they won't work with Bush every single time.

I got some serious news for you Mr. oneway. The republicans won't work with him *every* time either.

methinks myrr wants war not peace... but I ain't gonna give it to him.

terpfan1980

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #9 By: Myrrander - 1/24/2005 2:21:46 PM
No, you want people to list names so that you can nitpick them to death. No Democrat will please you unless they act just like a Republican.

In my world at least, this is entirely untrue Myrr.

I'm willing to acknowledge, and even be thankful for people like Joseph Lieberman, John Breaux, Zell Miller, and others that are willing to work with the President and the Republican party to get things done.

I'll also admit that there are some Democrats like this, but... they can, and do, at times stand in lock step with party leadership like (former minority leader) Daschle and new leader Reid to block nominations, stop Social Security reform (if possible), stop Tax Cuts and more.

I understand that these people will not always swing to the conservative side, but I do appreciate when they do try to meet in the middle.

There are most certainly people on either side that just aren't going to move towards any consensus, and those people -- in my mind -- need to go. Unfortunately, in this country, with it's history of re-electing incumbents at astronomical rates, that likely won't happen. That's part of why I'd really like to see term limits (maximum of 18 years in any one office) for all offices throughout the country (except for Judiciary appointments, which, honestly might not be badded if capped at about 35 years). If such policies were in place, more politicians might be inclined to vote their conscience rather than the party line because they know they're gonna be replaced eventually anyway.

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