Name Them or stfu

Put up or shut up

Published on January 24, 2005 By Moderateman In Politics

Each time I rail against the Democratic party I get this thrown in my face:" There are plenty of Democrats willing to work with President Bush and the Republicans"< ok GIve me a list of members of the Senate and house that have come out and actually done more than "say" they will work with Bush,as of 2004 to date!

If you cannot back up your words with facts keep this mention out of my blog sight.

When you accuse me of mindless rhetoric, and spew the same crap at me how can you expect reasonable discourse?

I can fling Insult as well as the next guy, I can be just as unreasonable as the next person.
I can spew rhetoric and discontent as good as any democrat.

This is an opportunity fror reasonable discussion. Not some kind of trap. Use this if you dare. Be prepared to back up your stuff with FACTS, truth, and some common courtesy and I will return same.

\ If you want WAR I can give it to you, If you want PEACE I can give that to you also.

Comments (Page 2)

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply By: terpfan1980Posted: Monday, January 24, 2005

wow maybe you should have written this blog... smile... nice work and NOT ONE finger pointed or trashing anyone..

Manopeace

on Jan 24, 2005

We don't need your link. You win through *superior* firepower.

I take that as a compliment

DNCdude

on Jan 24, 2005

Personally, I'd say that this article is Great! I feel that a list of names has already been given so I won't take a go at that, however I would like to point out that any politician in his/her right mind is going to vote against a Bush policy that all of America really needs, such as any proposal to help our economy, treasury, education, etc. This means however that on some issues the Dems. will oppose many of Bush's policies for the same reason they are Dems. You don't just pull a party name out of a hat and stick with it, you choose a party that most incorporates your beliefs, there fore on some issues the Dems. will vote against it simply because they don't believe it is right or will work.

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #18 By: DNCdude - 1/24/2005 7:23:32 PM
Personally, I'd say that this article is Great! I feel that a list of names has already been given so I won't take a go at that, however I would like to point out that any politician in his/her right mind is going to vote against a Bush policy that all of America really needs, such as any proposal to help our economy, treasury, education, etc. This means however that on some issues the Dems. will oppose many of Bush's policies for the same reason they are Dems. You don't just pull a party name out of a hat and stick with it, you choose a party that most incorporates your beliefs, there fore on some issues the Dems. will vote against it simply because they don't believe it is right or will work.

as long as someone.. anyone votes their concious I am fine with that its when dems and reps vote the party line that makes me crazy.

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #1 By: drmiler - 1/24/2005 1:08:43 AM

If they want war, I got your back.

I appreciate that doc, count on me to have yours in return,, altho I think we both already knew this.

thatoneguyinslc

on Jan 24, 2005

Right on DNCdude!

Personally, i didn't expect mod and miler to acknowlege anybody on my list. If they don't like who i put up, that's ok with me. I know their voting records. 5 of the 6 i listed are definately in the "moderate" catagory, and have shown a willingness to work with the repubs in the past.

Waxie...Well he's just a freak. I'll also agree with the asshole observation.

What i really don't understand here is why you righties feel as if nobody wants to work with dubya on issues other than the war or political appointees? The wheels still spin in DC when the s**t hits the fan. The government still has to do business and pass legislation. Dems and repubs work together every day to pass legislation. If the current administration wants to send sane and rational proposals to the house and senate there is a very good chance they will pass.

The problem is that with his percieved mandate, dubya thinks he can push a right wing agenda through the congress and everybody will blindly go along. This is where the conflict begins.

Two term presdents usually get smacked around more the second go around as well. My advice to you guys is to get used to it.

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #21 By: thatoneguyinslc - 1/24/2005 8:17:36 PM
Right on DNCdude!

Personally, i didn't expect mod and miler to acknowlege anybody on my list

I have extolled the virtues of joe leiberman many times... There are some dems I totally agree with in many matters hence the moderate in moderateman... I do not lump you into any specific catagory could you try not to lump me?

DNCdude

on Jan 24, 2005

I would like to point out that any politician in his/her right mind is going to vote against a Bush policy that all of America really needs,

Sorry I mistated that, hopefully you all saw what I meant to say, I was trying to say vote FOR a Bush policy all of America needs.

Moderateman

on Jan 24, 2005

Reply #23 By: DNCdude - 1/24/2005 8:52:01 PM
I would like to point out that any politician in his/her right mind is going to vote against a Bush policy that all of America really needs,

Sorry I mistated that, hopefully you all saw what I meant to say, I was trying to say vote FOR a Bush policy all of America needs.

got cha! All I can say is Bush has made mistake and these mistakes cause death.. but then again the nature of war is sick and twisted period.. All I ever wanted was for the dems and the reps to step up to the plate and ADMIT MISTAKES ARE MADE on both ends of the political spectrum.

Dr Guy

on Jan 25, 2005

Two term presdents usually get smacked around more the second go around as well. My advice to you guys is to get used to it.

That is not the issue or the thread. The issue is the left conttemptously calling bush a divider when he has tried to be a uniter (who wrote the NCLB act?), and got spit on by the left for doing so.

You may not agree with his politics, or his positions, but lay the blame where it belongs. At the feet of those who would rather demigogue their conttempt than to sit down and discuss the issues. You cant negotiate with clowns that sit on their hands and refuse to even discuss the issue.

Moderateman

on Jan 25, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005Two term presdents usually get smacked around more the second go around as well. My advice to you guys is to get used to it. That is not the issue or the thread. The issue is the left conttemptously calling bush a divider when he has tried to be a uniter (who wrote the NCLB act?), and got spit on by the left for doing so.You may not agree with his politics, or his positions, but lay the blame where it belongs. At the feet of those who would rather demigogue their conttempt than to sit down and discuss the issues. You cant negotiate with clowns that sit on their hands and refuse to even discuss the issue.

exactly....

thatoneguyinslc

on Jan 25, 2005

Place the blame where it belongs? It belongs at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue.

If dubya even TRIED to work with the opposition he would have accomplished something in his first term. Instead nothing was done. His far right wing agenda is not in favor with the majority . (hence the word FAR). It's not the unwillingness of the left that's causing the problem, it's the arrogance of the administration thinking they can shove draconian legislation down the throats of people who aren't going to go along blindly. Politics is a hard ball game fellas. You seem to labor under the delusion that regardless of how dangerous and fiscally unsound some of the stuff dubya is trying to pull is ok just because he's the president.

Guess again!

DNCdude

on Jan 25, 2005

That is not the issue or the thread. The issue is the left conttemptously calling bush a divider when he has tried to be a uniter (who wrote the NCLB act?), and got spit on by the left for doing so.

First of Dr.Guy, the Democrats supported NCLB, they don't however support how the President has gone about enforcong it. Second neither all members of the left or right have ever shown they do not wish to discuss the issues. Members of the left simply have shown strong opposition to a President who doesn't seem to want to compromise on any details of his plans. Then finally, Bush has tried somewhat to be a uniter as have Dems. In the end we are tallying up a scorecard of who has done or hasen't done this, or that, which of course won't get any one any where.

thatoneguyinslc

on Jan 25, 2005

Guy?

That's called a closing statement. And it's also a fact. Crack open the history books and read up on it if you don't believe me.

Lee1776

on Jan 25, 2005

If dubya even TRIED to work with the opposition he would have accomplished something in his first term.

NCLB and the election reform bills come quickly off the top of my head. That was at the start of his time in office. Bothsides have worked together then (even if they didn't produce anything good IMO).

As for lately, Bush has asked Dems to submit proposals and sit in on talks, but have received the big NO (Dems are afraid to look like they are cowtoeing to Bush). I can not even remember one Dem who has even asked to nagoiate in the last two years. I maybe wrong, if you got something I will say I am. Both Sen. Reid and Rep. Poloski have both said that they will fight all of Bush's actions tooth and nail. Even Kerry has already broke his promise of working with the Pres.

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