Pope Meets Priest Accused of Anti-Jewish Remark

this is an example of what I mean, they are anti-Semitic and do not even know it.
How it could possibly be conceived that somehow the Christians have become the Chosen people is beyond me, that thought pattern alone shows you the deep rooted belief that they and they alone have supplanted the JEWS, even though no where can they prove it.

Oh no two Jews thinking alike! Gasp! Quick we need two more opinions hehe.

From my studies I suspect this ideology came from Ignatius and Justin Martyr in which their Greek philosophical (I suspect Plato here)learnings was the basis of their interpretation of the NT.

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Jeremias 31:34 says that "they (biblical Israel) shall teach no more every man his neighbor.." What does this part of Jeremias prophecy mean to you? How do you interpret this?

To me it means that the Lord God is saying through Jeremias' prophecy that the Israelite people shall teach no more of the CEREMONIAL OLd Law. Their exclusive power to teach and share God with the nations was gone forever when the Temple veil was rent at Christ's crucifixation and when Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed in 70AD. The Israelites went into dispersion at this point. Gone forever, is the sprinkling of blood (Temple sacrifice) for the forgiveness of sins.


I didn't refute the Scriptures you cited because at the time I didn't see it as anything to refute.

First I'll explain Catholic thought on the differences between the OLd and the New Covenant and then on Jews and Judaism and how they are all connected.

The Old Covenant was made through MOses, the New through Jesus Christ. The OC was made only with one people, the NC with all mankind. The OC was made to last for a limited time, the NC will last to the end of time. The OC was sealed with the blood of victims, the NC with the Blood of God made Man ("This is the Blood of the New COvenant (Testament)"; IN the OC, severe laws were made, but the power of observing them was not given by which to observe them and the NC is therefore, called the Covenant of Grace.

The Ten Commandments and the other laws of the OC were a preparation for Jesus Christ. (Gal.3:24). The Isrealites could not perfectly observe those laws which forbade evil desires and feeling this, they came to know there own weaknesses and sinfulness. They saw that they required divine help to do what they ought to do, and to be just in the eyes of the LOrd God. They longed for the promised Savior. But we Christians can, by the NEw Covental grace of Almighty God keep all the COmmandments and use the means of grace.

There are no more barriers. The boundaries were meant to say to the Israelites: You are not worthy on account of your sins to approach the Lord God. Now, the barriers which separate man from ALmighty GOd are removed by Jesus Christ. Through Him, in HIm, and with HIm, we dare now approach the LOrd God. We dare receive Him into our very hearts, and unite ourselves to Him in the closest manner.

Catholic teaching is that all that is basic in the life of the Catholic Church existed, potentially, in Judaism as set forth in the Old Testament.

Catholics believe that Judaism culminates in Jesus Christ, a Christian priesthood, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and Christ's Church, the one, holy, catholic and Apostolic Church.

Catholics believe that Jesus Christ is the predicted Messias; that Christianity is Jewish Jahvehism universalized, and vastly more:

The genealogical priesthood of Aaron has given way to the priesthood without genealogy--the endless priesthood of Jesus Christ according to the order of Mechisedec. The bloody sacrifice, offered up daily in the Temple, has given way to the unbloody Sacrifice of the Holy Mass, predicted by Malachais, 1:11, to be offered up "from the rising of the sun until the going down thereof:"

The Catholic CHurch (born in the Synagogue)is the Messianic Kingdom, the Jewish theocracy restored and universalized. Catholics believe conversion from the Synagogue to the Church means passing from the caterpillar to the butterfly stage of Judaism.

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You, MM, are short-changing Catholicism in general and this Catholic in particular.

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Old Testament Scripture is replete with references to the House of God, the Church that shall continue forever.

Besides Jeremias 31: 35-36, check out Ezekiel 37:24-26; Psalm 47:4, 9; 71, 88: 3-4, 29, 36, 37;
Isaias 9; 59:19-21; 60: 15-18; 62:11-12; Daniel 2:44.

As for the Church spreading far and near and teaching nations, check out Psalm 2:8; 21:28; Isaias 49:6; 54 and Daniel 2:35, 44 to name a few.

well some if not most of the christians are the chosen people.

why because some if not most of them are from the lost ten tribes of isreal.


i don't know what goes on in europe. but here in the usa most american males are circumsized at birth. what is the sign of the chosen people.

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Of St.John the Baptist, St.Luke 1:59, "And on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they would have named him Zacharias after his father, but his mother said, 'Not so; he shall be named John.'"

Of Christ, St.Luke 2:21, "And at the end of the eight days, when He was circumcised, He was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb."

"Jesus" means "Yahhweh saves" or "Yahweh is salvation", that is Savour. This name was given the child not as the result of any human decision, but in keeping with the commandment of Almighty God which the angel communicated to the Blessed Virgin and St.Joseph. St.Luke 1:31; St.Mark 1:21.

Our Lord Jesus Christ was without sin, so He stood in no need for circumcision. But He submitted to the rite becasue, according to the prophecies, the Redeemer was to be a true Israelite and son of Abraham. To be such and to be recognized as such, circumcision was necessary. By His Incarnation, our Lord took upon Himself the sins of mankind, so as to make satisfaction for them. FOr this purpose, He shed His precious Blood for the first time in circumcision, and showed us that He had come to redeem us by His BLood. Therefore, the name of Jesus was given to Him at His circumcision. Also, by voluntarily obeying the Law and submitting Himself to the rite of circumcision, He wished to give an example of obedience to the Divine Law.


Circumcision was the rite established by Almighty GOd under the Old Covenant to mark out those who belonged to His chosen people. He commanded Abraham to institute circumcision as a sign of the COvenant He had made with him and all his descendants. Genesis 17:10-14 prescribing that it should be done on the 8th day after birth. The rite was performed either at home or in the Synagogue and in addition to the actual circumcision, the ceremony included prayers and the naming of the child.

At the Council of Jerusalem Acts 15:1, the Apostles definitively declared that those entering the Church had no need to be circumcised as a religious ceremonial requirement. St.Paul's explicit teaching on the irrelevance of circumcision in the context of the New COvenant established by Christ is to be found in Galatians 5:2, 6:12, and Colossians 2:1. St. Paul told the Galatians, "In Jesus CHrist neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity."

The Church calls for "circumcision of the foreskin" of your heart, (Deut.10:16) which is equivalent to the command to make you a new heart, a new spirit, a new creature. Circumcision of the flesh is not forbidden by the Church.

Circumcision among Jews was basically religious in character. It signified citizenship of the male child in God's chosen people. With the institution of Christian Baptism the commandment to circumcise ceased to apply. Baptism (which displaced circumcision) signifies citizenship in the kingdom of the Messias.


Jews do adhere to circumcision, though Reform Jewry, disregarding the positive declaration of Moses, that the male who is not circumcised "that soul shall be destroyed out of his people." Gen. 17:14 declares it not a necessary element in Judaism. Therefore, some Reform synagogues have "consecrated" uncircumcised male children. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that the practice of circumcision is so engrained in Jews, "that its observance is often the sole remaining token of allegiance to Judaism, after all other ceremonial institutions have been discarded."

there are two ways to get lost.

1 lost to history ie no one knows where you are/went

2 forget who you are.


and the circumcision proformed by doctors is not a religous thing. but it also has no medical purpose.


and the last time i checked an 8 day old baby doesn't have much choice in anything he/she does.

LW has written quite an interesting article with loads of comments on the medical/hygenic purpose of circumcision. I bet if we ask please, she will be glad to set that link.

Actually it does have some medical purpose for patients suffering from some diseases.



No, the baby has no say, but it was instituted by Almighty God and practiced by observant Israelites exclusively for relligious reasons. It's pathological value was recognized and suggestions of a hygenic nature were stressed in Jewry by Philo who lived from around 30BC to 40AD.

i have read that it has little no medical reasons.

There are few things more amusing than reading how religious psychos go about justifying how their religious views are right and everyone else's are wrong. Funny stuff to be sure.

Keeping me in stitches here.

Lula, let's just think for a minute about those two statements you made.

In both you declare Jesus as your God, explain his circumcision, interpret what it means, and how He took on himself the sins of mankind. All that without a single word from Jesus to justify your understanding. All is based on writings of others AFTER he was raised. In fact many many years after he was raised.

All of the writings after him is no more than someone's own understanding. Dont make it God's words please. beleive what you wish but dont inject other's words in God's Words. Doing that is a huge mistake.

The second statement is really interesting: what authority did they have to declare that Jesus did not need to be circumcised? even St. Paul's words as you put it doesnt mean that circumcision was not needed. All what Paul said is this: circumcision doesnt mean the person is faithful, faith is reflected in the works. how is that to mean circumcision is not needed? this is like saying prayer is not needed because it doesnt necessarily mean the person is faithful since faith is in the works.

you keep saying Jesus sacrificed his blood and his life for all mankind's sin. does that mean humans can make all the sins they like with no consequences on the day of judgement? how can God die and get raised and have blood in the first place?

God is not human Lula, he does not die or have blood.

I know you will explain all this in a very convoluted way. but it is just that. Convlouted. God and His Religion could not be this vague in any way shape or form.

But the fact remains that all of your views are based on something other than what Jesus actually said.

Before I even continue with this discussion I would like to have an answer to my request from post 139.

Also, I asked a polite question in 131 as well.

you know what I find facinating is someone focusing on spelling not the message,sometimes I get to out typing my keyboard and sometimes i mis a letter or a space,sheesh we are using keyboards and sometimes those keyboards wear out,I use a laptop so it has a built in keyboard and sometimes the letter or space does not strike.

Is my spelling going to send you to hell,no,your testimony is going to either send you to salvation and the kingdom or death through judgement not spelling,heck if it is about spelling then our bibles and qarans are wrong for so much mispelling going on.

Lulu quit trying to justify catholisism,most of us here know that this is a universal religon of sin,it allows anyone with a degree to preach and people accept these people of sin as authoritive teachers,its a cast off that Israel used when they were divorced from covenant.

MM want truth,go read,if you want a link to a true name bible ask..but if some dumby wants to base intelligence on spelling then their are alot of smart people who are stupid.
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