Pope Meets Priest Accused of Anti-Jewish Remark

TA, I disagree. Here's why. Jesus upheld the Torah and the Tanakh. It was the Oral Law that we see Jesus debunk and IN SOME cases upholding. The only confusion that I see is many Christians start with the back of the book thinking they can understand without first understanding the beginning.

One of the most challenging authors in Scriptures without a doubt is Paul. There are so many scriptures that 'seem' to support the doing away with Torah and others that CLEARLY uphold it. Even Paul acknowledges that the Jews have the advantage in understanding what Jesus did in his sacrifice.

It is Paul's writings that have created confusion not G-D's words to Jesus.

I disagree. It says there will be no one teaching for ALL will know G-D. This is referring to the millennial kingdom here on earth not the Catholic Church.

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I included this bit of information regarding the Catholic position on predicting the prophecy of Christ's Second Coming because it had bearing on your initial question.

Besides that, while you personlly did/have not predicted a date, I am curious about the Church of the LDS and its position on this.

Lula, at the very root of Catholicism is antisemitism. Now granted I am not saying every Catholic is antisemitic but the root of the religion is. They say that THEY are now the chosen ones and the Jews are no longer because they broke the covenant (as you clearly stated in a previous rebuttal). This in it's very essence is replacement theology as well as antisemitic.

Of EVERYONE that has persecuted the Jews, no group nor nation has persecuted the Jews more than the Catholics. Since it's formalization around Constantine's time they have persecuted and murdered more Jews then any one else. Just take a look at the Inquisition and not just the 'Spanish' Inquisition.

Theological debate aside this is the very basis that Moderate Man wrote this article. I think in many ways you have shown the Catholic church this way and probably didn't even know it.

LW, I have a BA in BS does that count for something?

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I agree that Jesus upheld the writing of the Law and the Prophets..and so did St.Paul. There is no contradiction or any doing away with of the Torah. The Torah, aka Pentateuch, is the first five Books of the 73 Books of Sacred Scripture that we have today. Every word of it is Sacred Scripture, the inspired, revealed Word of God. By this we understand that the Books of Scripture teach without error the truths that God intends to reveal for the sake of our salvation.


Sacred Scripture is difficult to understand and interpreting both the Old and New Testament is even moreso. That's where the confusion comes in.

The Old Testament is contained in the New and the New Testament is found in the Old.

So then do you keep Torah?

That "no man knoweth, not even the angels in heaven". That's what it says in scripture, after all . . .

It's like dear old Lucas, with his "Ph.D." Just pathetic, people.

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Frankly, it's not surprising that Catholicism gets the anti-Semitic charge against it AGAIN!


"The root of Catholicism is antisemitism"? Give me a break. If you sincerely believe that then you confirm your lack of knowledge of Catholicism, of history, and of Sacred Scripture.


For example, Sacred Scripture is replete with history of Jewish intoleration, hatred and persecution of the early Christians and the fledgling Church. After all St.Paul was once Saul, a Pharisee and greatest persecuter of the early Christians. This intense persecution continued up until the 70AD and the destruction of Jersualem. Jerusalem and Herod's Temple was destroyed not by Christians, but mostly by Roman pagans.

Oh, yes, the NT recounts that the early Christians had to take evasive action, again and again, "for fear of the Jews".



Catholics say Christians are now the chosen ones becasue Sacred Scripture says it first. And furthermore, Jews are and will always be the first Chosen Ones; there is no changing that for Almighty God is faithful to His promise. It's only since Christ they are not the ONLY Chosen Ones. Believing Gentiles (Christians) are added to the God's family of Chosen ones.

Back to the anti-Semitism (in this case false)charge.

Above, I say it's not surprising, because when you seriously think about it, especially in today's political climate, to criticize the Jews or anything Jewish is to court charges of being called anti-Semitic. This takes us back to MM's initial article.

I've seen this described as "secular Semitism" which has expressed itself in Zionism, liberalism, hatred of Christianity, and now blaming the Church for anti-Semitism.

I am still here and still reading, still enjoying the interchange.

wow whip good catch, I was not going to mention the disconnect, I was going to let it play out.

AD, i dont think you understood what i said. God's ACTUAL words to Jesus got lost somehow, only the writings of Paul and the rest of them remain and these writings are confusing and misrepresent what God actually said to Jesus. Part of the problem is due to translation and the other part is due to misinterpretation of what jesus said.

Thank you TA for the clarification. I will agree with you that we only get bits and pieces of Jesus life and his interaction with G-D. But unlike Moses writings we get an outside perspective and information of what's going on. The problem, as I see it, is that the premise is based upon Matt-Rev and not based upon the Torah and Tanakh with little knowledge of Judaism. The more I study Torah and Tanakh the clearer the NT makes sense to me. So I believe we are in agreement here, TA?

the church more or less says don't worry about when. it will happen when it is supposed to.

and you show a complete bias opinion. I have shown you the scriptures that have been replaced in Catholicism to mean something different that you haven't refuted. Replacement theology IS antisemitic at the very root because it undermines G-D using the Jewish people to be a priestly nation to the world. Here is some quick proof. Obadiah's prophecy mentions about Israel coming back to the land. Note there is not mention of 'Catholic church.'



Paul persecuted the new Messianic believers because he was a Pharisee. Pharisees gave more tribute to the Oral Law (laws written by man)than Torah. Jesus addressed this in Matt 15. Note that Jesus upholds the Torah there.

Also the 1571 Convocation it was argued that the Catholic Church has authority to interpret scriptures and all doctrine had to be consistent (this coming from newadvent.com)



No where in scriptures do I see that NOW the Christians are the chosen ones. Please either give me scriptural reference or retract this statement.

Gentiles were included with Israel as righteous converts. Numbers 15:29 address this. Gentiles were grafted in.



Ok, now you are becoming a nudnick. Look up the bloody definition of antisemitism and you will have your answer.