Pope Meets Priest Accused of Anti-Jewish Remark

I dunno, reading through this all I keep hearing in my head is "Hallowed are the Ori". Ok, it's back to hiding in shadow for me.

Lula, you are mistaken. Jeremiah is talking about when Israel broke the covenant when they were in the wilderness. G-D wanted to give Israel a writ of divorce and destroy but Moses intervened and pleaded G-D not to.



Oh really?



Seems to me there is still A LOT of teaching going on for this to be fulfilled.

Also, Note: Paul talks about KEEPING Passover (as you note as 'the last supper') in 1 Cor 5:7-8. If the OT was done away with why would Paul writing many years after Jesus resurrection tell us to KEEP this feast?

Lula posts:

Adventure-Dude,

If you read these verses of Jeremias carefully, you'll see that only v. 32 mentions Isreal breaking the Old Covenant. (It doesn't go into the what, whys and wherefors.) The main thrust of Jeremias 31 is foretelling how the New Covenant will be different from the Old Covenant. I outlined those differences. The old made with Moses was written on stone, and the New, engraved on the minds and hearts of the faithful.

The Old COvenant was, in the fullest sense, fulfilled only through the work of Christ and by His death on the Cross. The shedding of Christ's blood was necessary for the ratification of the New COvenant, just as the shedding of blood was needed for that of the Sinai Covenant. Moses sprinkled the blood of calves and goats on the Book of the Law, the people, the tabernacle, and the ritual vessels in the Temple. He did so to purify them formulating a very important principle---that the shedding of blood was needed for purification and forgiveness.



It's been fulfilled and the teachings of Christ through His Church continues and will until the end of time. Here in V. 34, God is saying through Jeremias' prophecy that the Israelite people shall teach no more of the ceremonial OLd Law. Their exclusive power to teach and share God with the nations was gone forever when the Temple veil was rent at Christ's crucifixation and later the confusion that immediately followed was gone forever with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed stone by stone in 70AD. Isaias 2: 2-5, 56. The Israelites went into dispersion at this point. Gone forever, is the sprinkling of blood (Temple sacrifice) for the forgiveness of sins.

Gone were the sacrifices of the Old Mosaic Law that only promised ephemeral benefits whereas Christ's redemptive sacrifice obtained for man, once for all, the good things to come, God's grace and entry into Heaven.




St.Paul is perhaps one of the most famous of Jews who converted and was baptized in the Christian faith. The Last Supper for Catholics is when Christ instituted the Priesthood according to the order of Melchidedieck (sp?) and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.


1Cor. 5:7-8, "Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Paschal Lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore, celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincereity and truth."

Notice here that by what St.Paul said, Christ, the Paschal Lamb, has already died on the Cross. He is using examples taken from the Jewish celebration of Passover and the Azymes (without leaven) to draw spiritual lessons for the Corinthians.

The Passover was the principle feast of the Israelites and its central rite was the eating of the passover lamb. Christ, our Passover, our Pachal Lamb, has been sacrificed. The paschal lamb was a promise and prefigurement of the true Lamb, Jesus Christ who was the victim of the sacrifice on Calvary, offered on behalf of all mankind for the redemption and forgiveness of sins.

The feast of the Paschal Lamb with the unleavened bread (Holy Eucharist) that we are to keep and always to celebrate is the perennial value of the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross renewed every time a Catholic Mass is celebrated.

Later on, 11:23-26, St.Paul teaches the Corinthians more about the Eucharistic mystery. It's around the year 57 AD only 27 years since the institution of the Holy Eucharist reminding the COrinthians of what they have been taught some years earlier (about 51AD). The words 'received" and "delivered" are used to indicate that the teaching is a part of Apostolic Tradition which goes back to the Lord Himself.

1Cor. 11: 23-26
"For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when He was betrayed took bread, 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, "This is my BOdy which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is he new covenant in My blood, Do this as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes again."

if god knows when and Christ doesn't know when. then how can they be the same person.





will be resurrected thus they won't be dead. thus he will not be judging any dead.


Christ is the rock upon which the church is built not Paul.

as for the cross it was just a form of execution. where as today we would use the needle.

Lulu,
You must be one of Lucifers Catholic/Universalist congregation of hell and replacement,always wanting to replace the holy with the unholy,sometimes I wonder what brimstone a believer is smoking in their pipe for some of these goof ball replies I have heard for well over 30 yrs,,,,,

The Sabbath,the Feast days,the Torah and Commands,the covenant of circumcision given to Abraham all still stand,only Lucifer and his agents of sin seek to rewrite Yahwehs laws,just like you blotted out Yahwehs name and put in Lucifers name in its place,just like you blot out the name of Salvation for the name of a pig god..Lets get real people either we wake up and come back to REMEMBER or persish in ignorance.

Go ask your sold our preacher,minister,church daddy,and they will tell you the truth is not welcome at the puke pit only lies and deception just enough to make you fell good in your sins is a welcome type message...lol...ROLFMRAO....I find christians and mussies have very little true knowledge of the system of death they hang on to...
Pastor Terry
A Disciple of Yahshua the Son of Yahweh the living Almighty Mighty One

True, so true! I get the finer detail!

Yap yap yap!

Jeremiah3131 posts:

I am Catholic, and I find your condemnation quite vitriolic and way off the mark. It certainly is no way to conduct a serious discussion over differences between religious beliefs. My replies may be goof ball in your estimation, however, you haven't refuted any one of them in a serious or adequate manner therefore, I can't anything you say seriously.



This is the final straw. Calling our Lord God Lucifer is blasphemous and irrational for someone who signs out as "Pastor Terry". It strips this dialogue of its usefulness. I shall not respond to any of your rants after this.

Well Lulu it is,Truth hurts don't it,I grew as a follower of Martin Luther til I found alot of his teachings like the Vatican were B.S.
I get asked alot because I keep the Covenant am I a Adventist,nope,I follow the Master of Salvations decrees which are right and holy,unlike the christian system and their fake god,the one if many would research would find out alot of the falseness of the Universal religon.

See I got my masters in both History and Church history,for religon and goverment have been pretty entertwined since Babel,sigh....So many by into the lies daily and find out after a short time they are not comfortable in that demonation and they move on..How many bow before the Poop and call him Father,only One is our Father and it sure is not a Poop,but the Living Almighty Mighty One,so sad how many will bow to Lucifers minions but never bow the knee to the King of Righteousness,so sad..

Lulu my advice to you before it is to late is run and run as fast as you can from the Whore which started the decline and embondagement of the people to a mans religon instead of Covenant Living..
Pastor Terry

The verse in which we are discussing is St.Matt. 24:.36

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of Heaven, but the Father alone."

The question that this text presents to us is not easy. There is no simple one in which matters hard to understand are treated as adequate to the truth of GOd. There are enigmas and mysteries which remain unsoluble to us.


Jesus knew of His death and Resurrection by the Father. He knows that His death will not end His messianic call, but bring it to fulfillment. Did He Himself expect that the renewal of all things
would take place soon after His own glorification--that not only would the Gospel be spread all over the world, but that the world itself would soon be ready for a the sickle like a ripe harvest?

He is the Son, but He is now the Son in the human form of a servant. His human knowledge at this time was limited. Here, He has emptied Himself and become like man, fully human in every way except sin.

Every revelation about the end of the world is clothed in mystery. Jesus, being God, knows every detail in the plan of salvation, but He refrains from revealing the date of the Last Judgment. Why? To ensure that His Apostles and disciples stay on the alert, and to underline the transcendence of this mysterious design of GOd's plan.

This phrase is a bit like the one Jesus spoke to Zebedee: "to sit at my right hand and at my left hand is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." St.Matt.20:23.

Here, it's not because He doesn't know the details, but becasue it is not for Him to reveal them.

A side note on this: Since the establishment of Israel in 1948, there have been hundreds of books written which have predicted the date of Christ's return or the reign of the ANtichrist.

Ever since 1517, Pope Leo X mandated that Catholics are forbidden under the pain of excommunication to date setting speculation. Those who have in the past have obviously lied and this false teaching causes great distress.

In Acts 1:7, Christ said, "It is not for you to know the times or the moments which the Father has put in His own power."

Lulu,
I would not believe anything the Harlot has to say on faith,Lulu,run,run Lulu,the Demons of Universalism are chasing you...
Pastor Terry

first i am not catholic. second i am not predicting a date.

there are four things in history that had to happen.

1 Adam had to eat the fruit of good and evil. although some will agrue that this didn't take place.


2 Christ had to die.


3 Christ had to be resurrected.


4 the Holocaust had to take place. if it hadn't the Jews would never have gone home.

I think this is the root of the problem from the start. It got confusing even more when God's actual words to Jesus got lost and only the writings of his followers partially survived.

It is a shame but that is the way it is.

On the Contrary Lula.

V32: "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD."

You cannot parse this verse apart or else you WILL lose context. Let's back up a bit to Exodus 24:3 which should clarify Jeremiah's context.

"And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. "

Here we have Israel's agreement to the Covenant.

In Deut. 9 we clearly see G-D wroth with anger because they broke the covenant.

I cannot agree with your assessment on this verse in Jeremiah.