America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~
Published on March 1, 2006 By Moderateman In Blogging
Long ago I stopped playing the if I am mad at someone, it means you as my friend/brother/sister/wife/husband MUST BE mad at them too.

What is this grade school? Obviously this is another article about little whip, I have always adored her, never cared for Simon at all,
While I will miss whip my world was whole long before I met her and will be whole long after she is gone.

As for Simon, who really cares if he is exiled? I sure do not, I have never bothered reading his stuff except for a couple times and that was out of loyalty to whip, I never commented on his blathering.

I am not here to make real world friends I have those, I am not here to please anyone except myself.

Brad can be a large pain, so what? so Can I.

Was brad wrong exiling Simon? who cares? Brads site, brads rules, you do not like it, leave, no one had nailed you to the caberfloor here.

Will I miss whip, yep, I remember once before when she split, I felt like my muse deserted me, but life went on, I even blogged about missing her, because I did, but life went on.

Sure I could have the instant satisfaction of telling admin to go fuck themselves, but there are consequences if I do, I will be gone and the world will go on.

I have been here for 16 months, the site was here, up and running before I came will be up and running after I leave.

I have never been elevated in status, so what? I have my own status it's called personal status, anything someone gives you is called vested status and can be taken as easy as given, NO ONE can Take my status because it is earned by me and kept by me.

I am old enough to understand people come, people go in my life and life goes on either way.

I refuse to play grade school games, if you think you are my cyberfriend and think I will leave here because YOU DO, get a clue, I won't, I will leave when I am damned good and ready or when brad tires of me. either way life goes on.
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on Mar 01, 2006

Someone else made this observation which I think had a lot of merit:

I'm a pretty consistent guy if one looks at things over the last couple of years.  Simon must have known what would happen to him if he escalated the issue that I had just warned him about. 

So in essence, Simon put his own ego ahead of his wife's enjoyment.

on Mar 01, 2006
For deference, I am 59 years old and have knocked aaround a bit, I know what friends are "TO ME" I will not argue what friends are to YOU, please show me the same respect., - Moderateman

I speak boldly, but please don't misread it as disrespect for you or your opinion.

I think a stronger argument for friendship can be made by a definition different then the one you offered (one I followed, myself, for years). I'll not make any attempt to serve you any of those arguments now.

So in essence, Simon put his own ego ahead of his wife's enjoyment. - Draginol

Tying up loose ends and enjoy the heck out of his very own blog site - that's gotta' feel pretty dern good.
on Mar 02, 2006
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006Someone else made this observation which I think had a lot of merit:I'm a pretty consistent guy if one looks at things over the last couple of years. Simon must have known what would happen to him if he escalated the issue that I had just warned him about. So in essence, Simon put his own ego ahead of his wife's enjoyment.


I disagree brad, simon is simon and does not even think to whips enjoyment{here } Sometimes men get into pising contests and that is what I saw with you and simon, 2 men seeing who can piss further, you win because it is your site, if this was simons site he would have won, simple as that.
on Mar 02, 2006
#32 by Deference
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


speak boldly, but please don't misread it as disrespect for you or your opinion.


thank you def, although we tend to disagree on just about everything I do respect you and your opinions.
on Mar 02, 2006
I don't care if it makes people on JU like me less because I've chosen to be supportive of her. She has done the same for me many times over. I have no use for "fair weather friends".


Your loyalty to Sabrina is right and proper. But be careful not to fall into the trap of misinterpreting others' actions as a lack of loyalty.

I, too, owe much to Sabrina (and to Simon, though I disagree with 99% of what he has to say). And I owe much to you. But I owe as much to Brad, Karma, Jill, and those on the other side of the fence. And it is horribly unfair to expect me to choose sides.
on Mar 02, 2006
More than anything I think what was bothersome to LW (although I doubt Simon cares, lol) was the fact that people who had consistently been supporters and fans of hers quickly did an about-face and began praising Brad for his decision.


For the record, I didn't praise Brad for his decision. I expressed empathy for his exhaustion. I've been there.
on Mar 02, 2006
For the record, what got me into it was that I was called out BY NAME.
on Mar 02, 2006
Gideon:
But be careful not to fall into the trap of misinterpreting others' actions as a lack of loyalty.


Fair enough.

I, too, owe much to Sabrina (and to Simon, though I disagree with 99% of what he has to say). And I owe much to you. But I owe as much to Brad, Karma, Jill, and those on the other side of the fence. And it is horribly unfair to expect me to choose sides.


You don't OWE anything to me, Gideon. Any friendship or care or anything else I've ever extended you has been extended without expectation. If I were being picked apart on here or having any number of other personal problems a person could have, I would hope that you would be one of the people who would care enough to come to my defense or offer a helping hand or whatever the situation warranted. Not because you feel you *should* or *have to* but because you want to.

I don't believe I ever said that you should take sides. I did feel like you took a side, while stating that you would not take a side. I may have misinterpreted your actions, and if that's the case, I sincerely apologize. As I've said, I was just disappointed by how things played out.
on Mar 02, 2006
MM stayin outta the gid tex thing..
on Mar 02, 2006
This is the very last thing I will say on the subject.

I was a total jerk about Simon. He never said anything to me personally which warranted my attacks. I was angry LW left, so I took it out on her husband. And how crappy a thing is that to do to someone I like?

Not one of my brightest moments.

I've apologized to her, and I do so now to all of you for dropping those little turds and just basically being a bitch about the whole thing.
on Mar 02, 2006
40 by Tova7
Thursday, March 02, 2006


This is the very last thing I will say on the subject.

I was a total jerk about Simon. He never said anything to me personally which warranted my attacks. I was angry LW left, so I took it out on her husband


that is a very human thing to do tova, do not be so hard on yourself, maybe a e-mail to whip is in order if you chose to patch things up.
on Mar 02, 2006
I was a total jerk about Simon. He never said anything to me personally which warranted my attacks. I was angry LW left, so I took it out on her husband. And how crappy a thing is that to do to someone I like?

Not one of my brightest moments.


Very admirable, Tova. And I agree with MM...don't be so hard on yourself. I think emotions were running really high throughout all of this and many of us got a bit carried away.
on Mar 02, 2006
This "persona" is drawn to you too Elie!


It's not easy when stuff like this happens to anyone, especially when it affects someone who is loved by many, (whether that be a love/hate relationship, it's of no consequence which it is) but it will affect a community no matter what.

It's true JU goes through cycles. I've been here more than a year now, soon to be two (wow!) and I've seen a lot of comedies, tragedies and dramadies.


It's a given that there will be many opinions about the goings on, some will feel more strongly than others. I guess this one won't blow over too easily, however in the end, or as some like to say, at the end of the day, whatever is said or being said, be true to yourself and the person you're "fighting" for. Piling on doesn't help either, it just makes the piler look bad. (and that's not being said to any one person, it's just a general statement).


I've apologized to her, and I do so now to all of you for dropping those little turds and just basically being a bitch about the whole thing.


That's big of you Tonya dear, I was wondering about all that.
on Mar 02, 2006
Reply By: foreverserenityPosted: Thursday, March 02, 2006This "persona" is drawn to you too Elie!


Ok MM steps back... looks real hard..... thinks... maybe... who knows, it happened with michele....
on Mar 07, 2006
Ok MM steps back... looks real hard..... thinks... maybe... who knows, it happened with michele....


I"m honored at the thought! I believe in destiny Elie, if it's meant to be, it will and life's full of surprises!
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