If one innocent person is put to death!

It's one too many for me.

Published on November 28, 2005 By Moderateman In Ethics

With all the kill tookie williams debate going on and state sanctioned MURDER IS OK WITH SOME HERE.

All I have to add is In my heart I KNOW at least one innocent person sat in there cell awaiting death by state murder and DID not do it!

How any of you pro state murder people can live with yourself is wayyyyyyy beyond me!

I hope you all sleep well at night knowing you have sanctioned the murder of an innocent and this and this alone makes you no different than home grown terrorist.

Comments (Page 4)

Dr Guy

on Nov 29, 2005

yep an accidental destruction of evidence, not a chance.

Glad he will spend life forever behind bars and later will pay another debt. to the "big warden in the sky"

It is not the way, it is the end result. One person at a time.

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

48 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, November 29, 2005

yep an accidental destruction of evidence, not a chance.

Glad he will spend life forever behind bars and later will pay another debt. to the "big warden in the sky"

It is not the way, it is the end result. One person at a time.

personally I would rather be put to death than spend my entire remaining life behind bars, caged with the dregs of the worl.

bakerstreet

on Nov 29, 2005

"personally I would rather be put to death than spend my entire remaining life behind bars, caged with the dregs of the worl."

So would I. Odd that you can stomach innocent people rotting away in there for life when you, yourself would find death preferable. For every innocent person put to death there have probably been hundreds serve out life sentences.

Given the sentiment of the quote, I don't see how you so easily differentiate the sentence you want from the sentence you seem to hate. It seems more like you are concerned more with society's clean hands than the innocent.

dharmagrl

on Nov 29, 2005

So would I. Odd that you can stomach innocent people rotting away in there for life when you, yourself would find death preferable.

On reading this, I am reminded of the last statement of a female killer in Texas - she said words to the effect of "I'm okay with this, 'cause now I aint gonna hafta wake up in prison no more".

I couldn't imagine life in my husband's medium security facility, let alone a lockdown place like death row. I think after years and years of that I'd see death as wonderful alternative.

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Tuesday, November 29, 2005"personally I would rather be put to death than spend my entire remaining life behind bars, caged with the dregs of the worl."So would I. Odd that you can stomach innocent people rotting away in there for life when you, yourself would find death preferable. For every innocent person put to death there have probably been hundreds serve out life sentences.Given the sentiment of the quote, I don't see how you so easily differentiate the sentence you want from the sentence you seem to hate. It seems more like you are concerned more with society's clean hands than the innocent.

nope am concerned with the "thou shall not kill" thingie, yep ol mod wants to leave planet earth with as CLEAN a concious as I can have.

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

Reply By: dharmagrlPosted: Tuesday, November 29, 2005So would I. Odd that you can stomach innocent people rotting away in there for life when you, yourself would find death preferable.On reading this, I am reminded of the last statement of a female killer in Texas - she said words to the effect of "I'm okay with this, 'cause now I aint gonna hafta wake up in prison no more".I couldn't imagine life in my husband's medium security facility, let alone a lockdown place like death row. I think after years and years of that I'd see death as wonderful alternative.

exactly D, knowing you will spend your entire life in prison is as much a "deterent" as death I think.

bakerstreet

on Nov 30, 2005

"nope am concerned with the "thou shall not kill" thingie, yep ol mod wants to leave planet earth with as CLEAN a concious as I can have."

And yet the same book that handed that commandment down also dictated capital punishment in about the same breath. Moses was wrong after he was right?

Good for your conscience. I'm sure that people victimized in and out of prison by the people you want to linger will rest easy knowing your hands are clean.

Moderateman

on Nov 30, 2005

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Wednesday, November 30, 2005"nope am concerned with the "thou shall not kill" thingie, yep ol mod wants to leave planet earth with as CLEAN a concious as I can have."And yet the same book that handed that commandment down also dictated capital punishment in about the same breath. Moses was wrong after he was right?Good for your conscience. I'm sure that people victimized in and out of prison by the people you want to linger will rest easy knowing your hands are clean.

wow baker, have I done something to piss you off? you are being way harsh.

Gideon MacLeish

on Nov 30, 2005

Let me ask you this, MM...I'm being totally honest.

If we caught Osama bin Laden tomorrow, would you advocate for a life sentence for him knowing that he would have the opportunity of escape as well as the ability to communicate with his followers until his natural death?

Tookie Williams is a leader of a terror network that has been MORE effective than Al Qaeda.

Just something to chew on.

Moderateman

on Nov 30, 2005

#56 by Gideon MacLeish
Wednesday, November 30, 2005

Let me ask you this, MM...I'm being totally honest.
If we caught Osama bin Laden tomorrow, would you advocate for a life sentence for him knowing that he would have the opportunity of escape as well as the ability to communicate with his followers until his natural death?
Tookie Williams is a leader of a terror network that has been MORE effective than Al Qaeda.
Just something to chew on.

chewing now,again I say this is not about tookie, fuck him gid, this is about the taking of INNOCENT lives, it happens you know.

Would I want osoma dead, ok being honest, yes, i would personally put a bullet through his head if I could. I just think till we have a system that can proove someone deserves death I have to fight against the death penality.

I know how can I want to kill someone like osoma and yet be against the death sentence? Cause above all things I am a human being with all the flaws and contradictions.

Gideon MacLeish

on Nov 30, 2005

chewing now,again I say this is not about tookie, fuck him gid, this is about the taking of INNOCENT lives, it happens you know.

The debate started over the execution of TOOKIE, NOT the taking of innocent lives. I explained repeatedly that I am on principle opposed to the death penalty. I also applauded former Illinois Governor Ryan's stay of the death penalty in Illinois.

The facts in the Tookie case, however, are this: we have a terrorist leader in our custody. This terrorist leader was convicted and sentenced to death years ago and been afforded due process.

That's the thing you need to understand; I have never argued against you on principle on this matter. The blog where you responded that keyed off this whole debate centered around the execution of a particular individual. So my response DOES apply.

bakerstreet

on Nov 30, 2005

Well, the implication if you read what you are writing is that you couldn't soil yourself to be like the rest of us, MM. If you have to lily-white, that would mean the rest of us are heartless folk that don't mind executing innocent people. You want to go into the next world with your hands clean, so that must make ours dirty?

I'm not angry with you, but you're halfassing, frankly. You talk about "thou shalt not kill" and ignore the fact that the same book is the root of our concept of capital punishment.

Moderateman

on Nov 30, 2005

Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Wednesday, November 30, 2005chewing now,again I say this is not about tookie, fuck him gid, this is about the taking of INNOCENT lives, it happens you know.The debate started over the execution of TOOKIE, NOT the taking of innocent lives. I explained repeatedly that I am on principle opposed to the death penalty. I also applauded former Illinois Governor Ryan's stay of the death penalty in Illinois.

point taken gid.

Moderateman

on Nov 30, 2005

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Wednesday, November 30, 2005Well, the implication if you read what you are writing is that you couldn't soil yourself to be like the rest of us, MM. If you have to lily-white, that would mean the rest of us are heartless folk that don't mind executing innocent people. You want to go into the next world with your hands clean, so that must make ours dirty?I'm not angry with you, but you're halfassing, frankly. You talk about "thou shalt not kill" and ignore the fact that the same book is the root of our concept of capital punishment.

ok point by point. I am against the death sentence, how I feel about it is between me and GOD how you feel about it is also between you and GOD, no right, no wrong just is. Ok?

I am far from being lily white baker or innocent of bad deeds, I have done plenty I am ashamed about.

I accept I am torn {1/2 assed if you must}
Try to remember I have tken a life or two {war] but none the less i think about it all the time and hate that I Did what I had to do.

I accept that the good book says both "eye for an eye" and turn the other cheek they are in direct opposition to each other, I guess at atimes I feel both work for me.

Dr Guy

on Nov 30, 2005

Would I want osoma dead, ok being honest, yes, i would personally put a bullet through his head if I could.

You are not Michael Dukakis! But you are an honest man.

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