If one innocent person is put to death!

It's one too many for me.

Published on November 28, 2005 By Moderateman In Ethics

With all the kill tookie williams debate going on and state sanctioned MURDER IS OK WITH SOME HERE.

All I have to add is In my heart I KNOW at least one innocent person sat in there cell awaiting death by state murder and DID not do it!

How any of you pro state murder people can live with yourself is wayyyyyyy beyond me!

I hope you all sleep well at night knowing you have sanctioned the murder of an innocent and this and this alone makes you no different than home grown terrorist.

Comments (Page 2)

bakerstreet

on Nov 29, 2005

"I believe life in prison, with no hope of parole, housed with other killers, locked down 23 hours a day is just and fitting baker. A killer must pay for his crime, but I just cannot help thinking if they did not do it, there is no hope of ever proving they are innocent at some future date."

How awful, thinking of all those innocent people you are condemning to a life of confinement, physical and mental abuse, and forced labor. Unless you think for some reason we only make mistakes in cases that end in capital punishment.

I guess it is a matter of perspective, but being unjustly sentenced to living the rest of my life with animals in a cage isn't any more preferable than death.

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

#18 by BakerStreet
Tuesday, November 29, 2005

I believe life in prison, with no hope of parole, housed with other killers, locked down 23 hours a day is just and fitting baker. A killer must pay for his crime, but I just cannot help thinking if they did not do it, there is no hope of ever proving they are innocent at some future date."

How awful, thinking of all those innocent people you are condemning to a life of confinement, physical and mental abuse, and forced labor. Unless you think for some reason we only make mistakes in cases that end in capital punishment.

I guess it is a matter of perspective, but being unjustly sentenced to living the rest of my life with animals in a cage isn't any more preferable than death.

the difference being is many prisoners have been released due to new technology, mny of then have served decades behind bars unjustly. Kind of hard to do that with someone put to death.

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

17 by little_whip
Tuesday, November 29, 2005

And you call being locked down 23 hours a day in solitary confinement what

I call it a just and fair punishment for a presumed killer whip, as long as killer is alive evidence can set him free, if he is guilty, well then tough shit for them.

bakerstreet

on Nov 29, 2005

yep, one released recently based upon DNA evidence seems to have murdered a woman who came to his house to photograph his car for a sale paper. If that is what jail does to "innocent" people, I tend to think killing them is more human.

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that if I would be later released in the mental condition to commit a crime like that, go right ahead and kill me. That kind of mental change, to me, would be worse than death. I'd rather be dead than assimilated into the zoo.

dharmagrl

on Nov 29, 2005

you and whip are right, was over the top. apoligizes

See, that's why I like you so much. You apologize sincerely and say when you're wrong with dignity.

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

21 by BakerStreet
Tuesday, November 29, 2005

baker i do not think one case example is enough to put aside all the totally innocent people released because they were railroaded into prison. But since you cited one example I feel it behooves me to respond in kind. How about the case of hurricane carter, wrongly imprisoned for a murder he did not commit, carter had no prison record at the time and since his release has become an advocate for wrongful imprisonment. http://graphicwitness.com/carter/

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

#22 by dharmagrl
Tuesday, November 29, 2005

you and whip are right, was over the top. apoligizes

See, that's why I like you so much. You apologize sincerely and say when you're wrong with dignity.

thanx D, The day I cannt say "i was wrong" is the day I can walk on water and change water into wine.

Dr Guy

on Nov 29, 2005

this ain't about tookie, it's about state sanctioned murder doc.

I know, but Robin is more immediate, and the guilt not as clear cut. Before we start worrying about an execution in 2 weeks, perhaps we need worry about one that is in one day.

ParaTed2k

on Nov 29, 2005

Ok MM, take all the fun out it! Just as I was ready to hit you with a few more great ones, you go and apologize! ;~D

Glad you did though, we all have our "over the top" moments, it's how we handle realizing it (or having it pointed out to us) that makes the difference.

And in fairness, even though I did mean the Mikey/Cindy shot as a joke, I take it back also. ;~D

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

25 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, November 29, 2005

this ain't about tookie, it's about state sanctioned murder doc.

I know, but Robin is more immediate, and the guilt not as clear cut. Before we start worrying about an execution in 2 weeks, perhaps we need worry about one that is in one day.

there is just nothing I can do about this doc, much as I would like to.

Gideon MacLeish

on Nov 29, 2005

Mod,

Tookie Williams is NOT innocent. Get that? That's pretty much clear.

You have accused me of sanctioning murder when my stance on the death penalty is pretty clear. This is beneath you, and, frankly I expected better. I explained my position QUITE clearly and eloquently, thank you very much.

Yes, the murder of innocents is wrong, but that ethos doesn't apply to the Tookie Williams case, sorry.

Next time, try a rational argument instead of ad hominem attacks. Otherwise we'll think you're becoming a Democrat

Gideon MacLeish

on Nov 29, 2005

BTW,

Terrorist = founder of "gang" responsible for the death of thousands of innocents per year

Terrorist DOES NOT = jury that decides to execute above.

latour999

on Nov 29, 2005

I got your back on this one mod. I don't see how we can say murder is wrong, then have the state murder them for us. Especially after people like David Milgaard and Kyle Unger have been sitting in jail for years for crimes they didn't commit, convicted on faulty evidence. Imagine if they got the death penalty.

All I have to add is In my heart I KNOW at least one innocent person sat in there cell awaiting death by state murder and DID not do it!

I read a book a few years ago about a guy named Adams in Texas who was awarded clemency less than 3 days before his execution. He then spent years in jail before being released. The only reason he was convicted was because the real murderer fingered him, and partially because he was an outsider (I think he was from California) and the real murderer was a local Texas boy.

Gideon MacLeish

on Nov 29, 2005

I don't see how we can say murder is wrong, then have the state murder them for us.

You're sooo right, latour. I have seen the light. I think I'll go blog about it rather than pollute mod's blog further with my POV

Moderateman

on Nov 29, 2005

28 by Gideon MacLeish
Tuesday, November 29, 2005

Gid my point is that I know that at some point an innocent man was executed.

Ihave no doubt tookie is a killer and deserves life in prison for his crimes.

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