America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~
Just a question ok?
Published on October 28, 2005 By Moderateman In Life
I have often wondered when Is suicide permissible, what circumstances must you be in?

Is it a selfish or a selfless act?

Does it take strength to kill yourself or some kind of inherent weakness>

Do you take loved ones in consideration and allow that to override suicidal thoughts?

Do you "hang in there as long as you can" to please a loved one?

disclaimer FOR THE INCREDIBLY STUPID, mm HAS NO PLANS TO HURT HIMSELF! SO PLEASE SPARE ME. i ASKED QUESTIONS and want answers to the questions I asked.

Comments (Page 4)
4 PagesFirst 2 3 4 
on Oct 31, 2005
I have no religious beliefs when it comes to suicide. I think how and why you die is as unique as how you enter life. Noone, not even your parents can dictate exactly how it will go down. I can't say what a valid reason would be for someone else to end their life. I do know that I have experienced pain so bad that if I were told I would not get through it and improve, I would want to take enough drugs to go to sleep and never wake up.

To me, the thought of the pain my death would cause my loved ones is much more of a factor than fear of death. But when you are experiencing extreme pain or depression, the rest of the world isn't in your focus. I generally feel that as long as you are alive, there is hope, but I can understand one feeling so hopeless that they rather have nothing than what they are currently experiencing.

I know that as long as I have things to look forward to, I will be alive. Wanting to be there for my kids and my husband is enough to see me through just about anything. But I think having to see me suffer through cancer or something like that would be more difficult on them than my simply passing away. I had a friend go through it early this year. She and her family went through months of unneccessary misery.
on Oct 31, 2005
Life is a gift, and a great deal of thought has gone into allocating certain bodies for our use. From my point of view, we come into life with a goal to accomplish various tasks for the advancement of our souls. If we commit suicide, then even though God is infinitely patient with us, we will most certainly feel a deep sense of unfinished business, and will be sent back to a new life in order to try again. We’ll have to face the same challenges and pains, and again our aim will be to overcome those challenges.

Most the time, if we’ve chosen a difficult life, our personalities have no choice but to grin and bear it. We often think that suicide is the best way to escape, but it's no escape at all. If we've got karmic debts to pay off, or if our soul needs to experience certain conditions in order to advance to higher levels in Heaven, then it's inescapable. From the highest - in eternity - we will choose to experience those things, because from that point of view we will be aware of the profound benefits to be reaped, and we will see that such grim lifetimes are merely blinks of an eye in conext with our eternal life.

Whilst down here, we can find peace of mind by acknowledging that there is a divine plan, and that all our experiences – no matter how painful – are for purposes that are all-wise and good. After all, everything we face is sponsored by God. (Any religious person should know that God would not allow us to experience such grief if there were no good to come from it. God knows exactly what He's doing, and we're all infinitely safe and secure.)

To anyone who is considering committing suicide: hold on and have faith.
on Nov 11, 2005
Suicide seems wrong to me. I know i'm being harsh here but I think that if there is ANY possible redeeming quality left in life, you should not throw it away. BUT that being said, the soldier that dies to save the life of another or the man who refuses the rescue till others are saved and dies don't seem to fall in the same category as those who just give up.
Maybe we need more words for this. one for people who just quit trying. One for those dying, who hasten their own end. One for someone who willingly sacrifices thier life for someone else. .... i think my point is suicide is such a broad term...the situations vary so greatly that simply saying it's right or wrong is impossible.

on Oct 29, 2006
Suicide is a selfish act if it is not discussed and agreed upon by those whose lives you affect on a daily basis, as they have to live with the mess you may or may not leave behind. So if you are terminally ill and want to end it, discuss it agree to it get your affairs in order and do the act.

On the other hand if you are just a depressed fool that wants to end it all, know that you are nothing more than a selfish coward. At least have the good sense to put your affairs totally in order, do not choose a messy and horrific way to die where a family member will find you as you will give them nightmares for the rest of their life. Though personally I believe that to commit suicide because you see no light at the end of the tunnel is a cowards way out - get a grip on life and deal with it. Harsh - but my opinion.

I believe it is a weakness but it also takes strength to commit the act. One of lifes most basic instincts is to survive, so when you go against that instinct to cut your life short, it has to take courage and discipline of some degree to actually carry out the act of killing yourself.

In my opinion, you do not hang about to make anyone happy, that makes them selfish and you an idiot. If you are planning on going, get your house in order and all the people in your life to accept the idea first, then go ahead. Hanging about to please a loved one is in a way is asking them to bear a dreadful guilt for the suffering you may be enduring. (this is said for the terminally ill)

I believe suicide is only permissable when you are terminally ill and do not want to go through the whole process of dying by illness, in this instance it is an act of courage and kindness to those you love so they can remember you whole and healthy before the bad sets in.

Suicide by the depressed is a cowards way out.

If you are in a situation of absolutely no hope eg. stuck in an air pocket below the water line in a sinking ship and there is no way you are going to get back to the top then it is okay to sink into the water and drown or put a bullet in your head.

Get trapped in some secret place inside a pyramid and know you are going to die a slow death by starvation etc - then it is okay to chose a bullet instead - get my drift? Okay now I am talking tripe! :: gotta go!

on Oct 31, 2006
Anyone who commits suicide will have to come back and face the same kind of challenges in their next incarnation. The pain that their suicide caused to others can add to karmic debt to boot, so the challenges in their next incarnation might be magnified.

To sit and ride the storm is the best thing to do. Even though from the personality’s point of view, to sit in despair, darkness and fear might seem like a bad option, from the soul’s point of view, it is the wisest option. Pain and suffering is only temporary, and if you’re presently facing it, then your soul needs to face it, for one reason or another, otherwise you wouldn’t be facing it.
on Nov 01, 2006
Anyone who commits suicide will have to come back and face the same kind of challenges in their next incarnation. The pain that their suicide caused to others can add to karmic debt to boot, so the challenges in their next incarnation might be magnified.

To sit and ride the storm is the best thing to do. Even though from the personality’s point of view, to sit in despair, darkness and fear might seem like a bad option, from the soul’s point of view, it is the wisest option. Pain and suffering is only tempoary, and if you’re presently facing it, then your soul needs to face it, for one reason or another, otherwise you wouldn’t be facing it.


I have read some interesting spiritual books on the subject (do not ask me for the titles ect - this was years ago) and some of the explanations and suggestions and occurences that were put across were really interesting.

Your view point is one of those that always makes me say to myself - "I will not commit suicide because I will have to come back and face far worse, and I defintiely do NOT ever want to come back to this earth."

Having suffered with depression for so many years I have had only one instance where I felt compelled to commit suicide and instead of committing the act I wrote a book of poetry. My fear of having to come back here was greater than the will to end it. I lacked the courage needed to take ones life. I am glad I did though.

Could you imagine jumping off a bridge and one second after you have left the parapet realise you actually want to live? That must be so awful. Nothing you do right then can change the outcome.
on Nov 02, 2006
Having suffered with depression for so many years I have had only one instance where I felt compelled to commit suicide and instead of committing the act I wrote a book of poetry


Poetry is a good way of expressing our spirituality in a positive manner, even if we’re venting negativity. It can push our negative energies out in a harmless way. Many of our world’s geniuses are ‘tormented souls’, who have a knack of expressing - or venting - their spirituality, which comes from the depth of their being, in the form of music, art or poetry. Their work is therefore a result of pure ‘soul stuff’, which naturally strikes a chord with the popular mind, and often includes their dark side - which we all have, incidentally, (we just need to learn how to deal with our darkness and negativity in the most harmless way possible.)


I will not commit suicide because I will have to come back and face far worse, and I defintiely do NOT ever want to come back to this earth


That’s right Jennifer. We can’t run away from our soul’s agenda. If we have karmic debts to pay off, or challenges to face, then we will have to experience them sooner or later. Our soul needs to experience certain grim things on earth because of its need for learning, growth and the accumulation of wisdom. Many growth-promoting experiences are unattainable in the Heavenly Estate, which is why we incarnate to earth. Whenever we face certain challenges in life, there’s no point jumping off bridges to escape them. We will only be forced to come back until we can conquer them with courage and integrity.
on Nov 02, 2006
Our soul needs to experience certain grim things on earth because of its need for learning, growth and the accumulation of wisdom. Many growth-promoting experiences are unattainable in the Heavenly Estate, which is why we incarnate to earth. Whenever we face certain challenges in life, there’s no point jumping off bridges to escape them. We will only be forced to come back until we can conquer them with courage and integrity.


I feel very strongly that this is my last visit to the earth - i am by no means a perfect soul, I just do not believe I will come back, I am done, finished and had it with mankind! I will argue my out of coming back on th eother side. hahahah! Boy are they in for a hard time!   
on Nov 02, 2006
Hmm...well, I didn't read over most of the other comments...I'm a busy, guy and there's over 50.

I believe a distinction should be made here between suicide and self sacrifice. Suicide, I believe, is usually negative...brought on by someone's messed up mind or their inner pain(whether it's understandable or they think life is so horrible). Self sacrifice is positive, and while I'm more than willing to die for someone I care about, I will not go hop off of a building because I had a bad day...or everything seems to suck. I'm spiteful when it comes to living...if the world pisses me off, I want to stick around and try to get even.

~Zoo
on Nov 02, 2006
Hmm...well, I didn't read over most of the other comments...I'm a busy, guy and there's over 50.


not surprising it goes back to 28th oct 2005

...if the world pisses me off, I want to stick around and try to get even.


  
on Nov 03, 2006
I feel very strongly that this is my last visit to the earth


Possibly. But we might be surprised at the vastness of the soul’s agenda. When we get to the Other Side I’m sure we’ll see that we’ve all got plenty of lifetimes ahead of us.

If we reach a place of unconditional love, (including love for our enemies, without our inner-harmony being disrupted by their evil ways or negative attitudes), and if we can experience a deep sense of inner peace, security, strength and positivity - regardless of external conditions and regardless of other people’s weaknesses or behaviour, whilst still getting stuck into the world (as opposed to meditating under a banyan tree all day), then we can safely say that we’ve no more need to incarnate again. But until then, there is much soul work to be done, much inner muscle to be built, and much spiritual wealth to be earned.

The soul won't rest until it becomes perfected eternally for God.
on Nov 03, 2006
if we can experience a deep sense of inner peace, security, strength and positivity - regardless of external conditions and regardless of other people’s weaknesses or behaviour, whilst still getting stuck into the world


... we don’t have any choice over how we feel or react to life, just as a rose doesn’t have any choice as to whether it’s at the stem stage of growth, or the bud stage, or the blossoming stage. From what I’ve gathered, from reading books written by psychics, and according to my own intuition, we have about 20 lifetimes at each stage. (Naturally the ride gets easier the more incarnations we have)
4 PagesFirst 2 3 4