Mod, I agree and I disagree. I think that it would be about time for some of these horrific acts that the US has engaged in and the people who orchestrated them be held to the standard by which they hypocritically hold others. If that brings down a nation with it, that's on them. But, they need to be held accountable.

I do believe, however, that it would be a good opportunity for this country to make some serious amends, set some quality objectives for the future, get back on track to being the great nation that it is, and which the dubya regime, and a few other previous regimes, have served to drag this country down.

What I am saying is that it's up to this country to come clean, return it to the respect of the rest of the world. If the neocons continue to attempt to cover up their crap, it will only drag this country deeper.

I don't want to see this country dragged through the mud. I really don't. But whether it gets dragged or not, and how we come out the other end, is on our administration to guide. I do not think the neocons are capable of coming clean, and other countries see right through their hypocrisy.

It's on our administration to make things right. It's on our administration to work to understand why we are so hated around the world now. It's on our administration to set a future policy wherein we work with the rest of the world, rather than fight them in a losing and hateful battle that has no end. Frankly, I do not see this present administration being capable of the honesty, sincerity, or necessary worthiness to accoplish that task. They need to go.

It's on our administration to make things right. It's on our administration to work to understand why we are so hated around the world now.

dabe, no matter what we as Americans do the rest of the world will hate us, we have the highest standard of living anywhere, we have more, consume more, waste more, give more than anyone else.

To have 6 or 7 past presidents and there entire policies exposed to the light of day is a bad thing, it will just fuel the worlds suspicions we are an evil country.

Why cannot you see this? Step back from the Bush administration for a second and take a good look at the real damage cause by any action like hoping for a saddam trial to expose america.

If that brings down a nation with it, that's on them. But, they need to be held accountable.

---dabe

Uhhh...don't forget, dabe. It's your country, too.

and a few other previous regimes, have served to drag this country down.

--dabe

So, by "other regimes", I assume you're referring to Bush 41, who kicked Saddam out of Kuwait and oversaw the collapse of the USSR and helped with the transistion to democracy there. And of course Ronald Reagan, who made America strong and Americans (at least those of us who love our country, anyway) proud again, and dilligently worked until he'd initiated the toppling the USSR to begin with. Yeah, these were definitely bad guys and deserve to have their names dragged through the mud.

What I am saying is that it's up to this country to come clean, return it to the respect of the rest of the world

---dabe

A world that hasn't really respected us for at least 40 years....since LBJ, one of yours, dabe, got us into Vietnam.

If the neocons continue to attempt to cover up their crap, it will only drag this country deeper.

---dabe

And of course, the pure and snowy-clean Democrat "regimes" have nothing to hide, right?

I don't want to see this country dragged through the mud. I really don't.

---dabe

This I do not believe at all.

But whether it gets dragged or not, and how we come out the other end, is on our administration to guide.

---dabe

This I'd agree with.

I do not think the neocons are capable of coming clean, and other countries see right through their hypocrisy.

---dabe

Other countries? Hypocrisy? How about the hipocrisy of Oil for Food? How about the hipocrisy of "supporting" sanctions against Iraq, while at the same time taking their money by selling them the implements of war, an action which undermined everything the UN was supposedly trying to do there?

It's on our administration to set a future policy wherein we work with the rest of the world, rather than fight them in a losing and hateful battle that has no end. Frankly, I do not see this present administration being capable of the honesty, sincerity, or necessary worthiness to accoplish that task. They need to go.[/quote
---dabe
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See, have some patience. What your side seems unable to grasp is that they WILL go....in a little over three years. Then there'll be someone else for you to worship unconditonally of revile out of hand. Give it time; the system works. It just didn't work for you that last two times. I didn't work for me in '92 and '96. I hated it, but I had patience, and got what I wanted. 'Good things come', dearie...'good things come'...


Dabe, what will hapen to the world when we're not here anymore? It will probably happen eventually, if you and your side keep up your activities.

The entire world, for all their hatred and animosity toward us, turns to us in time of need for everything....and gets it.
This is because we, while the richest and most powerful people in the world, are also the ones with the biggest hearts and widest wallets. The world without the US will be a living hell. We, the United States of America, are one of the strongest glues that holds Western Civilization together. When we're gone dabe.....that's it.

Sorry guys but dabe will not be answering you anytime soon. She was placed back on suspension as of this morning by Karma.

#4 by drmiler Monday, September 26, 2005

Sorry guys but dabe will not be answering you anytime soon. She was placed back on suspension as of this morning by Karma.

why? she was polite here.

I suppose I am on the infamous Left and I confess M-Man, I do not get it...what's your point again?

6 by Suspeckted Monday, September 26, 2005

suppose I am on the infamous Left and I confess M-Man, I do not get it...what's your point again?

hi there stranger, my point is hoping to air out american politics in the trail of SADDAM is crazy. reread article.

#4 by drmiler Monday, September 26, 2005 Sorry guys but dabe will not be answering you anytime soon. She was placed back on suspension as of this morning by Karma. why? she was polite here.

Because of this. She "NEVER" seems to learn.

Who will testify at Saddam's trial? Is it going to be a fair trial? By: dabe Posted: 9/25/2005 11:25:56 PM on Dabe's Site Saddam's trial begins on October 19, 2005. It's going to get very interesting, because in order for him to put on any kind of appropriate defence, he will have to bring up some things that our government likely wishes would not be brought up. But, the defence team, if they are going to provide a vigorous defense, must insist upon some historical facts. Of course, none of these thing will actually serve to condone the atrocities committed by Saddam, but he will drag down some significant American politicians in his efforts. And, rightly so. I truly believe that some of the dirt on our US administration, and their knowledge both before and after the fact, and their tacit dismissal at that time, are likely going to make the neocons really uncomfortable. Sure the trial will begin on October 19th (if there are no further delays), but it is going to be a long drawn out affair. The questions I have are: Will the dubya neocon dummies do everthing possible to withhold evidence? Will Renquist or Cheney or any of these other conniving scumbags testify? Will Saddam survive long enough through the trial to get the entire story out? I suspect that the answer to these questions will likely be "no", but time will tell. I have provided one article, an opinion column that speaks exactly on some of these thoughts. No, it's not conspiracy theory. It's real history, which some people here dismiss entirely because it doesn't suit their simpleton explanations of life. As for some of the lowlife scumbag racist bitches at JU that have nothing to do with their wasted lives, but lie in wait, looking for anything to get over their blogstipation so that they can write long, hateful, disgusting, stupid, evil and racist crap, may you rot in hell. But, before you do, I invite you to read this. You might just learn something, you sorry ass hypocritic bitch.

why? she was polite here.

ok my point being on your own blog can't you just say what you want?

You know already I am on your side in any fight right?

I'm still trying to figure out what she mean't by getting the "story out". Is there some big neocon conspiracy theory I missed at the last neocon meeting?

why? she was polite here. ok my point being on your own blog can't you just say what you want? You know already I am on your side in any fight right?

Yeah but she was carrying it over to other threads and when you post stuff like that you should at the very least put an adult only tag on it, which she did not do. It seems mano was warned about his comments too. As far as whose side.....who were you refering to me or LW? Not that it makes a big difference. I "know" where you stand on most issues.

11 by Island Dog Monday, September 26, 2005

I'm still trying to figure out what she mean't by getting the "story out". Is there some big neocon conspiracy theory I missed at the last neocon meeting?

although I am not in dabes head, I think she is hoping during the saddam trial that some dirty american laundry gets aired out, why she would want that is beyond me.

#12 by drmiler Monday, September 26, 2005

As far as whose side.....who were you refering to me or LW? Not that it makes a big difference. I "know" where you stand on most issues

both doc, you have been a good friend to me and we do some personal emailing. I do adore whip too she also has been supportive of me.

Mano has since "recanted" his comments, but he hasn't deleted them...even though the parties involved TOLD him that he was 100% in error.

I do not believe for one second that's an honest "retraction" when I got out of line on his site I deleted the offending posts I made.

i WAS wondering how an article about saddams trial degenerated into a whipfest.