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Published on May 11, 2005 By Moderateman In North Korea
It seems like the RED Chinese will not help curb their running maddog, North Korea, I mean what do they care if they go nucular?

The North Koreans missles will be pointed at Japan and America so what does China get for stopping this madman jong from being a threat?

When will America see that China does not give a flying fig if america falls? They will simply market their goods to Europe, land of cowards.

Here is what America Needs to do, Offer to share our nucular technology, with Japan, Tiawan and South Korea, not give them the
Know how to make nukes, give them nukes and the system to deliver them.

Now China has something to lose, big time.
China HATES japan and has never forgiven the Japanses for WW2, The Japanese feel the same about the chinese.

Now 3 countries surrounding China will be armed with nukes, China will not like that, having these countries aiming missles at them as well as at their lapdog,. North Korea.

So If we state our intentions to arm these 3 traditional enemies of China, China will "see" the wisdom of keeping nukes OUT of North Koreas hands. Period. Self Preservation a huge Push to some common sense.


Ps, will post in a day or 2 about todays dr. visit, >

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on May 12, 2005
"I for one never called them pals or anything else I called the north koreans China lapdog, and that is aptly put, if china completely turned their back on N.K. , N.K. would fold."


Lap dog entails some sort of service or devotion. As I said, North Korea hates China, and the only reason China accomodates them is because they don't want other nations to have more influence there. Aid from China is like an IV tube. They like North Korea poor, it isn't intended to help, rather it is to keep just enough stability to ensure an independant North Korea that owes them something.

I don't think North Korea would "fold", I think millions more would just starve, and other nations like South Korea, or Russia, or the US would buy influence there. So, for them to let North Korea rot on the vine would be to defeat the purpose in the small amount of life support they offer the nation.

They'd much, much rather North Korea have a handful of nuclear weapons than to see North Korea get all warm and fuzzy with nations China opposes. The CHinese know that unless they allow us to, the US will not invade North Korea.
on May 12, 2005
Lap dog entails some sort of service or devotion


lapdog in the world sense does not denote devotion, it denotes subservence, period, and n.k. was saved by the chinese in the 1950 conflict baker, that does not sound like the chinese hated or hate n.k. to me
on May 12, 2005
They didn't fight for the North Koreans, they fought against the US who would have had a puppet regime on their border easily without their opposition. I suggest you look into their relations with each other during the war and shortly thereafter.

Anyway, the premise here seems to be that the Chinese gives a damn one way or the other. Their interest is to keep the US and nations they hate out of NK. Other than that NK could have nukes, or starve, or whatever, they don't care. They want A) for the world to hate NK, and for NK to be reliant on them.

If they abandon NK, people they don't want to have influence in NK will. We already protect Japan, Taiwan and South Korea with our own nuclear weapons on submarines.

The Chinese would LOVE it if we started a "Taiwanese Missle Crisis" by doing to them what Russia did to us. Don't pretend the Chinese are somehow squeamish about conflict. They are much, much more apt to respond to us than we are to them.
on May 12, 2005
im guessing the chinese and the south koreans have a common concern about north korea (altho not it's not shared in the sense they're working together towards a common goal)--one that involves the next worst possibility following nuclear attacks: 20+ million people flooding over one or both borders. wayyyyy more people than rushed outta what was formerly east germany into what had been west gemany. the south korean economy would be doused...im not sure it would be fatal to china but it sure wouldnt be fun.
on May 12, 2005
"..im not sure it would be fatal to china but it sure wouldnt be fun."


LOL, no, a few million people added to the billion+ Chinese population wouldn't be fatal. On the contrary, the Chinese would just put them to work. That is, if they just didn't disappear.


I think my difference with this and many blogs on China comes from the misconception that they think remotely the way we do. This is an alien values system that westerners just can't relate to. China isn't much different now than it was 1000 years ago. They just converted Communism to accomodate their dark ages system of class and empire.
on May 12, 2005
"Beloved Leader"


has he gone back to that? i remember reading--maybe a couple months ago?--he no longer wished to be revered as 'dear leader'.
on May 12, 2005
LOL, I dunno. I can't see him without thinking of his portrayal on Kid Notorious or South Park.
on May 12, 2005
the chinese already have enuff of a have vs havenot juggling act goin on. judging from the the number of chinese containers fulla junk that get offloaded here daily, you'd think a billion of em were cranking out 99c store tools and tubesox n shit 24/7. from what i gather, however, there are way more wannabe workers than there are industrial jobs.
on May 12, 2005
that article is 7 years old. dunno if you've seen any of the the fairly recent series of documentaries (the dragon awakes or somethin like that...with like 8 or 9 hourlong parts) that focus on china after 2001.
on May 12, 2005
"rom what i gather, however, there are way more wannabe workers than there are industrial jobs."


Wasn't my point. The Chinese have ways of dealing with the unwanted that we wouldn't consider. They purged like, 60 million people in the 50's and 60's? I doubt they'd shed a tear over a fraction of that number of North Koreans.
on May 12, 2005
" that article is 7 years old. dunno if you've seen any of the the fairly recent series of documentaries (the dragon awakes or somethin like that...with like 8 or 9 hourlong parts) that focus on china after 2001."


Yes, they've learned to be much more subtle and hide their monstrosity since they ramped up the PR to get into the WTO. Surely you aren't naive enough to believe their propaganda...
on May 12, 2005
the most wide-open, go-west-young-man kinda place in the world just might be shanghai. altho i've sorta lost touch with her, that zimbabwe chick who was teaching esl in china and i were talking pretty regularly for about 6 months. she's lived in the states previously (at least one of her brothers is here permanently)so it aint her first trip to the big city. a lot of what she said seemed to correspond with what i was seein on whatever cable station was running that series.
on May 12, 2005
From what I've read, though, the Chinese government are masters of that sort of thing. People's neighbors disappear, and no one talks about it, even if they know why. The lady next door gets escorted away, and your life continues peacefully while she gets rubber-hosed to death for talking to you about her religion.

The Falon Gong problem there is a good example. A soldier walks up to you, asks if you are a practicioner. Since your religion requires you to tell the truth, you say yes. "Order" is paramount. If people knew or acknowledged the horrific machine that keeps that order it would admit that there is a lot of disorder. People enjoy peace, and don't ask questions.

Maybe they are a long way in time from the purges, but I believe devoutely they could start them back up again without a second thought.
on May 12, 2005
Mod,

I was giving King his props on bringing up the 6 country negotiations.
on May 12, 2005
Maybe they are a long way in time from the purges, but I believe devoutely they could start them back up again without a second thought.


i'm with ya there. that whole anti-japanese movement was shut down with amazing speed once it had accomplished its purpose in order (i'm guessing) to ensure it wouldnt accidentally trip over any new targets.
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