Hanoijane fonda

on Apr 21, 2005

JANE SEYMOUR FONDA, HAVING BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF THE CRIME OF TREASON, AS DEFINED IN ART 3: SEC 3 OF THE USE CONSTITUTION, YOU SHALL BE EXECUTED:

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Reiki-House

on Apr 21, 2005

This is a strange case for me. And unfortunately this may give a large insight into my way of thinking or rather the inner workings of my soul. I am against violence of course, and one needs only to read one line of my position on the illegal Iraqi US-induced humanitarian crisis to know and understand that. But I also believe there is a time for acceptable violence. It's easy really. 3rd world sanction-decimated powerless Iraq...violence is wrong. You serve your nation when called, you see friends blown up by hidden booby traps, you watch some well-bred fellow American whiteass in the enemy's lair not on a mercy mission to see humanitarian conditions, but as a photo op where she actually wears(!) a North Vietnamese helmet and sits in the anti-aircraft battery, the same battery that has likely shot down many American airmen, then sits with the enemy and broadcasts radio messages(!) to US airmen telling them to stop committing war crimes against the North Vietnamese, then comes back to America to move on to richer well-fed mega million dollar pastures.....violence against her is acceptable. You see, the issue for me is that spitting tobacco juice in her face was, well, pretty pathetic worthy of a pussy. The loser unfortunately-a-veteran should have made a real point and really do what needed to be done for his personal honor to be satisfied. A hard punch to her face, though brutish, is more proper for an ex-military man who has obviously let this anger stew for likely 30 years! 30 years! And all he does is, stupidly, supports Big Tobacco by buying their product to squirt some juice in her face! He's never chewed tobacco before! Incredible! What kind of faggy creation is that? And the nutty thing is how he thinks he's made a point other than that he's a loser who uses self-humiliation to attempt to get over his hostility to her and her actions. Cross him off as just another well-intentioned acting-on-emotion-human who uses retaliatory payback attempts for self-humiliated folly. Anything other than that spit. Like a full-force punch to her mouth. Break her jaw or knock out the front of her teeth. In front of everyone at the signing. Let the reporters and photographers show the world what she feels like and looks like when she's writhing in severe pain. They already showed the pain of servicemen who had been shot down, of the servicemen who had been wounded, many seriously. Let them take their turn to show America what Jane Fonda looks like when HER body is ravaged by force. Show America what sets things right. Screw whining about her being a traitor. Screw treating her with disdain when she's in small-town America filming some high-budget film. Do something about it. And there's no room for the "well we're better than she is" garbage. Justice is pure and simple. I saw her on 60 Minutes, looking nice and plush among some rich furnishings, again unknowingly mocking the average American (90% of you). Telling the country what she regrets most was the AA battery site images. But hey people may as well be as lame as this veteran spitter was, and ignore the connection between the 60 Minute 'regrets' and her book being released. If she were pummelled in any way, honor would be served. Spitting tobacco in her face, youse a pussy who is unknowingly humiliating yourself before the whole world. The worst is how most of the Americans will likely say "she got what she deserved". Uh, hello? No she didn't. For her crimes against America and it's people, she deserved tobacco to be spit on her? Sorry, but when most baseball players in the US are likely saying "that shit happens all the time in fact it just happened to Joe-Shmo last week", it's not equal justice.

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Moderateman

on Apr 21, 2005

Reply By: Reiki-HousePosted: Thursday, April 21, 2005

I agree with most of your points. spitting on her was to good for her, and will more than likely increase her book sales, I can find no good in abusing anybody let alone a female, even if said female deserves to be tried for treason, alnong with hanoijohn kerry.

A public apoligy serves no one but herself. She is despicable beyond words.,

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ParaTed2k

on Apr 21, 2005

so, Reiki-House, what you are saying is you have absolutely no respect for rule of law. You refuse to recognize the United State's right to enforce a ceasefire agreement by returning to hostilities with the government that broke it; you call the vet a "loser"; then you go ahead and call for open vigilanism! No, you are the pathetic one!!

Yes, what the vet did was pretty cheap, and I agree with MM, it probably did little more than help her sell a few more books to Americans who care so little about anything but their pathetic selves that they would actually buy them. However, even a traiturous mass of worm sludge like hanoijane deserves her day in court. Justice needs to be served, but not by public flogging... until after she is convicted!! Then we should let every Vietnam vet that is still willing and able to do to her everything that you suggest!!! (((Ok, I tried to act mad at you Reiki-House, but I just couldn't keep it in anymore! ;~D

Why would anyone want to spend money on that festering gangrene's book? Why would anyone want to meet it and get its autograph!! Those are the people who deserve the tobacco spit!!!

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Moderateman

on Apr 21, 2005

Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Thursday, April 21, 2005so, Reiki-House, what you are saying is you have absolutely no respect for rule of law.

such is the GREATNESS OF AMERICA ,you can disagree without penalties, unlike the "civilized commie countries like vietnam and n korea and china.

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Dr Guy

on Apr 22, 2005

Ted beat me to it. There is a lot of reason to hold Hanoi Jane in contempt that are all legitimate. But hate is an active passion that takes too much out of the holder. Dont hate her. She is a pathetic contemptible slimy rat that should not occupy any part of your waking moments.

let the hate go. Contempt is fine, as it is does not consume you.

And watch Barbarella. She hates that movie since it depicted her as a porn star. It is the only Haniojane movie I will watch.

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Moderateman

on Apr 22, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Friday, April 22, 2005Ted beat me to it. There is a lot of reason to hold Hanoi Jane in contempt that are all legitimate. But hate is an active passion that takes too much out of the holder. Dont hate her. She is a pathetic contemptible slimy rat that should not occupy any part of your waking moments.let the hate go. Contempt is fine, as it is does not consume you.And watch Barbarella. She hates that movie since it depicted her as a porn star. It is the only Haniojane movie I will watch.

I refuse to support hanoijane, tim robbins, susan sarandon.sean penn, I will not watch there movies period. fuckers all, BUT hanoijohjn and hanoijane have a special place in my heart, I wish them both doom.

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Moderateman

on Apr 22, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Friday, April 22, 2005Ted beat me to it. There is a lot of reason to hold Hanoi Jane in contempt that are all legitimate. But hate is an active passion that takes too much out of the holder. Dont hate her. She is a pathetic contemptible slimy rat that should not occupy any part of your waking moments.let the hate go. Contempt is fine, as it is does not consume you.And watch Barbarella. She hates that movie since it depicted her as a porn star. It is the only Haniojane movie I will watch.

I refuse to support hanoijane, tim robbins, susan sarandon.sean penn, I will not watch there movies period. fuckers all, BUT hanoijohn and hanoijane have a special place in my heart, I wish them both doom.

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Dr Guy

on Apr 22, 2005

I refuse to support hanoijane, tim robbins, susan sarandon.sean penn, I will not watch there movies period. fuckers all, BUT hanoijohn and hanoijane have a special place in my heart, I wish them both doom.

Boy, talk about punctuating your feelings! I got both barrells!

But seriously moderate. all I am saying is they are not worth your hate. Your indifference and scorn and contempt, sure. But Hate takes too much out of you and you are too good a man to let them take anything out of you.

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Reiki-House

on Apr 22, 2005

" so, Reiki-House, what you are saying is you have absolutely no respect for rule of law. You refuse to recognize the United State's right to enforce a ceasefire agreement by returning to hostilities with the government that broke it; you call the vet a "loser"; then you go ahead and call for open vigilanism! No, you are the pathetic one!!"
You may stoop to a lower level if you wish sir. Trying to loop one event in with another, which in this case can't be done. You're talking about rule of law. I'm talking about personal honor and setting things straight. And you can stuff the legality aspect in the garbage bin along with your rule of law sentiment. Let's not play like kids here. There is no room for mindless childlike fodder when we're discussing something this important. The law and order mindset is put in your head at a young age. You apparently still have it in your system. Rules and laws. You're attacking me with a lawful society argument when the only evidence you could possible muster is anything having to do with the American judicial system? You see, you're problem is that you're arguing what you've been taught. That criminals get caught and sentened to jail therefore justice is served. That all men are created equal(load a crap when you see how some nations treat other nations), that society's authorities protect you, and if some harm comes to you, the ones who harmed you will be found, arrested, sent to court, sentenced to jail, then serves his time, and is paroled possibly early for good behavior. And when you think that simplistically, you're actually saying there's no problem with Michael Jackson's decade-earlier child rape charges were dropped after he paid a multi-million cash gift to his accuser. Hey that's part of the wheeling and dealing American judicial system, right? You can legally pay an accuser lots of money in return for them dropping the very real charges based on very real pedophelia facts. Facts because he has a history of the same child molesting crap following him. Is that a coincidence? Don't ever use law and order as an argument with me when you have a multi-tier system which favors those with money. You have money, you can buy your freedom. That's what I should bow down to? Never. It is not vigilanteism to satisfy one's own personal honor. You can easily argue it is, and it's an obvious immediate reaction. To me a vigilante is someone who takes justice into his own hands after his societies' judicial system made total fun of him and humiliated him in front of lots of influential people. Your daughter is raped. The accused is obviously guilty. He has connections. His family supports him by financing his lawyers. He gets either off on the charge, or he gets minimal minimal jail time. He now knows law and order DOESN'T actually defend him when he's wronged. He now knows law and order DOESN'T punish the guilty when guilt is outright and fully visible. So he goes and kills the rapist or hopefully tortures him in any which way he likes, as he sees fit. THAT is the vigilante. This clown veteran is a vigilante in your mind? Not at all to me. He's a weak minded probably heavy alcohol or drug abuser who has allowed 30 years to pass before he had the sense to do something about it. Like I said before, it's not honor or revenge when all you do is unknowingly humiliate and completely embarass you and your entire family in front of the world, for it WAS international news. What a joke. So don't trust in law and order to protect you. It and they won't. Don't trust things to be set right when you've been life-altering seriously maimed or injured deliberately. Police don't and won't protect you, but 10,000 of them will protect a Republican convention with a few thousand of them to protect. What's that? a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio? 10,000 cops. And they were well used. They abused people who want their voices to be heard. That's freedom isn't it? It's not lawful for politicans to hear the restless anger pervading the middle and lower classes of America? They need to have 10,000 cops on hand, meanwhile the criminals are killing and stealing since anyone knows 10,000 cops in one area leaves a big gap exposing the American people who most likely believe in the bogus law and order fodder as you do. Don't trust if someone says they had extra cops to fill in some of the void. The temporary cops are trainees and men not prepared to act as real police officers. They are inexperienced and do not cover and protect their assigned areas as if they were veterans you would trust to care for your family, to defend and protect and help you should the need arise.
Law and order, people, is something continuously mentioned in books when you were young, as a sort of indoctrination, setting your thinking in order, and it continues even when you get into secondary school and beyond. You simply can't trust in something so bias, so duplicit, so filled with universally-known corruption, to protect you. Someone takes his dick and puts it into your young child's anus, society isn't going to help you achieve the discourse where personal honor would be satisfied. And that's only if you as a parent even find out about it. I've read cases where the faggot cop or other authority figure molester tells the little boy not to tell anyone or else his parents will go to jail or something will happen to them. This little boy's indoctrinated trust in the system prevented him from telling anyone since he was old enough to know the acts were wrong, he wasn't old enough to know how the justice system worked. He feared it so didn't want his folks to go to jail. I think we all think rapists or at least multiple rapists deserve to die for their crimes. I'm one of the few who advocate real justice though. But it's not lonely. Tons of people every day discover the system is designed not for our benefit but for the benefit of a small minority of others. That's the way it is.

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Shovelheat

on Apr 22, 2005

There seems to be a whole lot of hub-bub over hanoijane being spit on by a viet nam vet, although assualting a woman is a un excuseable act, I can see why she was spit on.

I dunno. To me what he did is very excusable. I salute the dude...

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Moderateman

on Apr 22, 2005

24 by Dr. Guy
Friday, April 22, 2005

Boy, talk about punctuating your feelings! I got both barrells!
But seriously moderate. all I am saying is they are not worth your hate. Your indifference and scorn and contempt, sure. But Hate takes too much out of you and you are too good a man to let them take anything out of you.

I am pretty sure I do not hate them, I do hate what they did tho.

I have neither the time nor the inclination for hatred anymore, and that includes my arch nemisis dabe.

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Moderateman

on Apr 22, 2005

26 by Shovelheat
Friday, April 22, 2005

There seems to be a whole lot of hub-bub over hanoijane being spit on by a viet nam vet, although assualting a woman is a un excuseable act, I can see why she was spit on.

I dunno. To me what he did is very excusable. I salute the dude...

I just cannot condone abuse of any kind aimed at a female shovel, even if she "deserves it" now hanoijohn I could easly bitch slap him so hard his wife would hollor OW!!

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Moderateman

on Apr 22, 2005

#25 by Reiki-House
Friday, April 22, 2005

dude.. you just gotta chill out.. your anger is palpable.

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ParaTed2k

on Apr 22, 2005

For me, I don't hate anyone. However, that doesn't mean I don't want to see justice served. What she did is a textbook example of treason against the United States. The fact she (as well as others) has never been arrested and forced to face up to what they did, is one of the reasons the wound is still open.

When I was getting ready to go to Atlanta for my 1st internship, someone joked with me, "hanoijane lives in Atlanta, what if you get called to a car accident and she is the patient?"

I answered, "I'd treat her to the best of my ability"... then joked, "and the best I could do for her would include the biggest IV needle I could find!" ;~D