And if that's the case then shouldn't the penalty for your commander finding out about your sexuality be the same for both homosexuals and heterosexuals?  Meaning if a commander sees one of his troops kissing their significant other the same punishment should be applied no matter if the two people are the same sex or not?  That's not the case currently which is why Don't Ask, Don't Tell should either be repealed or extended to include heterosexuals as well.

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Your understanding and judgment of both the Spanish Inquisition and the CC is incorrect.

It would do well for you to understand that the CC has never classified Judaism as a heresy or believing Jews as heretics. So, persons of Jewish parentage, who were Jews in the religious sense of the term, were not ever once subjected to the Inquisition.

The Inquisition in the CC passed judgment upon the actions of Catholics, that is, persons who through Baptism became subject to her principles and doctrines in faith and morals, whether they were born of Catholic, Jewish, Mohammedan, Pagan or athiest parents, NOT JEWS. Jews who professed Judaism were not subject to the inquisitional tribunals.

The Inquisition's task was to cleanse the Chruch of unorthodoxy and not merely to heretics, but also bigamists, adulterers, blasphemers, and other violators of the principles of the Church to which they, as baptized men and women, were obligated to be true.

History will confirm the conditions in the Iberian Peninsula during the centuries leading before the Inquisition was instituted that led up to the deportation of the Jews. The Mohammaden bearers of the Crescent against the Cross invaded Spain in 711... this invasion was made with the aid of the Jews who invited the Mohammadens to cross the 9 mile strip of water from Morocco to Gibraltar in order to take possession of the Catholic kingdom of Spain. The Moors joined the invasion. The Jewish encyclopedia records, "It remains a fact that the Jews, either directly or through their coreligionists in Africa, encouraged the Mohammadens to conquer Spain and that they greeted them as deliverers. ....After the battle of Jarex,  the cities of COrdova, Malaga, granada, Seville, and Toledo were placed in the charge of Jewish inhabitants, who had been armed by the Arabs." 

This was the beginning of an 800 year old conflict of the Spaniards as defeat meant the inroad of Mohammadanism throughout Christendom.  While the Jews furthered the battering of Spain from without, they also bored within, by infiltrating the Spanish government and court as well as the Church. Thousands of Jews submitted themselves to Baptism in order take advantage of opportunities conversion offered. These pseudo-converts to Catholicism in Spain in 1490 were called Marranos.

An Inquisition properly understood is a court, a tribunal of inquiry for the examination, reconciliation and punishment of persons charged with violating the principles and practices of the society that institutes the Inquisition. Inquisitions existed, by Divine right, in Jewry during the 1st centuries before the First Pentecost day when the Catholic Chruch began her public mission. Inquistions also existed in Protestantism as well as in Catholic Spain. Though not called inquisitions, courts of inquiry exist today in clubs, lodges, trade unions, and other secular societies, as well as in our US government.

Keep in mind that the US government is well within it rights to safeguard its integrity by bringing suspected enemies within its borders to account through inquisitorial bodies as the CIA and FBI, etc. 

Remember that Catholics hold, as did our Jewish forebears during the days when Judaism functioned as the religion of Almighty God that heresy is a violation of God's law; that persons who are heretics are more culpable than those who are guilty of treasonable action against a civil government.  This being so, then is it not perfectly legitimate for the CC to safeguard the integrity of her principles and practices and institute an Inquisition in Spain for the purpose of unearthing traitors within her borders (within the Church) who under the pretense of being Christian, operated in the interest of a foreign power (as did/do subersive Communists in our own country)?

I agree completely. I don't like it as policy, but I like it as a guideline--for everybody.

Technically, the punishment would be different, but in actual practice, it doesn't really work that way. It's a lot harder than it used to be to kick someone out of the military for being gay, especially during wartime. If a commander catches them they'll be punished (if they are on duty) the same as heterosexuals because of don't ask don't tell--they flat are not allowed to ask, even when they're caught in the act (and two guys kissing, in the military, doesn't mean they are gay--have you ever heard of the game "gay chicken?" I don't know if its a military-wide thing, but some of the soldiers around here play it. Basically, two guys engage in homosexual foreplay, and the first one to back down loses. Actual gay guys aren't allowed to play, because they're unbeatable). 

One could argue that volunteering to play this game makes one gay, but I know some of these guys, and I'm pretty sure it just means they get really bored sometimes.

The point I was trying to make is that don't ask don't tell should be repealed, as official policy, because it serves absolutely no purpose. The rednecks aren't going to come unglued when they find out that someone in their unit is gay--they already know. There's a big difference between not talking about something while you're on duty and not knowing it as a fact. If they repealed don't ask don't tell, I really don't think anything would change.

Yes, I didn't mean to include the inquisition as based in Marxism.  Careless error.

So they say but what exactly did they do differently?

Not even going to begin arguing with you Lula.  The CC would NEVER hurt a Jew according to your CC archives.

History books simply disagree with you and the CC.  As if the CC would admit they did? Ha!

He should have picked Carolyn Kennedy as his running mate, then they would have bored the nation to sleep with the Umms and Uhhhs and You Knows.

It's not about arguing...you made a false claim that was corrected using historical facts and quotes from the Jewish Encyclopedia.

The Spanish Inquisition was instituted to remove those baptized Jews and Moslems who pretended to be Catholics, while they secretly adhered to the practices of Judaism and Mohammedanism. 

A Jewish historian, Dr. Salo Wittmayer Baron, "A Social and Religious History of the Jews" wrote:

"It appears to be a fact as well as a theory that Jews who never ceased professing Judaism were, on the whole, left undisturbed. - In the fourteen years of the activity of the Spanish Inquisition, from its establishment in 1478 to the expulsion of the Jews from Spain, we hear of only one persecution directed against a Jewish community, where the Jewry of Huesca was accused in 1489 of having admitted conversos (pseudo-converts from Judaism to Christianity) to the Jewish fold. It was precisely the inability of the inquisitorial courts to check Jewish influence on the conversos that served as a decisive argument for the Catholic monarchs in banishing Jews from Spain.

Graetz's "History of the Jews," has it that "Spain was at war for more than a half dozen centuries against the Mohammedans with whom the Jews were lined up against the Spaniards. It was a battle of the Cross against the Crescent."

The Encyclopedia of Jewish Knowledge and Vallentine's Jewish Encyclopedia say, "The Spanish Jews welcomed, it is even said that they invited, the Arab invasion. Under the Caliphate (Mohammedan ruler) of the West, with its capital at Cordova, their members (the Jews) grew and they attained great influence in the State" and that "It is admitted that the African Jews aided the Arabs in the capture of Cordova, Malaga, Granada, Seville, and Toledo and these cities were placed under Jewish control by the conquerors".

I don't deny the abuses of the Inquisition. Check history....They were committed, with a few exceptions, by the civil power, and they were condemned by Popes Leo X, Paul III, Paul IV, and Sixtus IV who reigned during that period of history.

You are wrong to put the Catholic Church together with Communist China, Russia and Nazi Germany.   

It's the difference between the people running the concentration camps and the people sitting in them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Schumacher

The socialists and communists were the only parties who voted against Hitler in the German parliament.

Probably the most famous socialist of the 20th century was Willy Brandt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Brandt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warschauer_Kniefall

Do you want to tell me that you cannot see the difference between those men and the Nazis?

It's true, Jews favor Socialism which is puzzling, isn't it? I've noticed time and again that Jews are such good businessmen especially in small business. In this case, Jews favoring Socialism is at cross purpose.  

I don't understand how it can still be puzzling after I explained (just above) how the apparent paradox appears.

Jews favour socialism because Jews are a stick-together kind of bunch. Jews can be good businessmen and support socialism. And why wouldn't it make sense? Many Zionists worked very hard in their businesses in order to support the JNF to buy land in Israel, land that was then owned by all Jews, not private land owners.

Many of Israel's politicians traditionally came from the kibbutzim, collective communities. Kibbutzniks (people who live or lived on a kibbutz) are the archetype of Israeli. Kibbutzim were sometimes religions but most often secular, yet they revived Biblical holidays long no more celebrated by religious or secular Jews. And they did it in the spirit of togetherness, of socialism.

The reason Israel eventually gave up socialism was purely for economic reasons, not because Jews specifically suffered under it or rejected it for ideological reasons.

(Judaism does reject communism, except in the Messianic sense, but not every form of socialism.)

To say the the Catholic Church did no harm to Jews is beyond ridiculous, My family were land owners on Barcelona, during the Inquisition there were give a few choices, to denounce Judaism and convert to Catholicism, to stay Jews is Spain and die, or to leave Spain with what you can carry, {most Jews converted as much as they could and converted it to diamonds and gold}. My branch of the family wandered for years till the Sultan of Turkey granted them asylum, Imagine that, thrown out by "Christians" and taken in by "Muslims"

Try to remember it took over 2000 years for a Pope to "forgive" the Jews for what a very few petty Rabbis did, small minded men afraid of losing thier power, because of what these men did the Catholics Blamed every Jew on the planet for the next 2000 plus years for Christ being crucified.

Right now as I type this I hear the words "Christ killer" rolling around in my head, something I was called qu ite frequently growing up in the "white section" of Harlem {Sicilian italians who practiced Roman chatholic preaching}

Hmm, here are some quotes I found and links too!  They don't say what you say.

Here's a quote from JewishEncyclopedia.com:

The New or Spanish Inquisition, introduced into the united kingdoms of Castile, Aragon, and Navarre by Ferdinand V. and Isabella the Catholic, was directed chiefly against converted Jews and against Jews and Moors. During the cruel persecutions of 1391 many thousands of Jewish families accepted baptism in order to save their lives. These converts, called "Conversos," "Neo-Christians" ("Christaõs Novos"). or "Maranos," preserved their love for Judaism, and secretly observed the Jewish law and Jewish customs.

LINK -> First paragraph from "The New Inquisition" Article. 

Here's another quote from JE.com

Several months after the fall of Granada an edict of expulsion was issued against the Jews of Spain by Ferdinand and Isabella (March 31, 1492). It ordered all Jews and Jewesses of whatever age to leave the kingdom by the last day of July, but permitted them to remove their property provided it was not in gold, silver, or money.

LINK -> First paragraph from "Edict of Expulsion" Article.

You will find that that is a common occurence with Lula.

BTW, I'm not ignoring your post, just taking the time to read and respond.

Lula, are you gonna give me your references from Jewish Encyclopedia?