yer kidding me right? After the pogroms in Russia after the "socialists" {communists} took over how can any Jew think this?

Yes the cost of this is coming from where?

I could see where this could cause problems for rednecks and bigots in the military to shower with "QUEERS" Know what I mean? There are lots of military that are rednecks and bigots.

Come to think of it, unless he is in front of a teleprompter he does hem and haw quite a bit.

We have Bill Clinton to thank for this particular mess, He promised to open the doors in the military for gays then when push came to shove, he came up with don't ask, don't tell. What a crock.

This answer is wonderful and RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!!!! Can you just imagine a redneck stuck in a foxhole during a firefight with two openly feminine gay men?

I can just hear some of the remarks, will there be new laws? What happens when a valuable member of the armed forces calls a gay a queer? will he be court marshaled? What will happen when a gay tells someone, "come on dear, you need to come out of the closet" How about Outing men or women that do not want it known they are gay? What a can of worms!!!!

From what I have heard there are NO openly gay people in the military.  There may be gay people in the military but if let anyone know that they are gay they put their careers on the line.  If you ask me if someone can be openly heterosexual in the military then homosexuals should be allowed to be open as well.

My question then becomes how is this any different then when women were first allowed to be in the military?  Isn't the military better by allowing women in?  And while I don't have the numbers I do know that there are plenty of openly gay men and women who would like nothing more than to serve in the military but aren't allowed to.  Some of these people are fluent in arabic and could have helped out tremendously at the start of are war on terror but they weren't allowed to serve, or were discharged because they were open about their sexuality.

I'm not saying it would be a painless transition but I would imagine the transition would be very similar to when women were first allowed to serve.

MM, just look at the population that favor the democrats.  You remember So Daiho right?  He talked extensively about Tikkun Olam.  This is essentially Rabbinical Propaganda coming from socialized Rabbis from Europe.  

They are sold on the ideology of fairness, peace, harmony etc. for everyone which is controlled and enforced by the government. 

I agree with you though.

Russia: Pogroms, sent to Siberia, Stalin's concentration camps to be built in modern day Kazakhstan (stalin was assasinated the night before he was to sign into action.

Germany: Nazis need I say more?

China: Communists wiped out many of the Jewish populations that were found in northern China. 

Spain: Spanish Inquisition (a theocratical type of socialism run by the Catholic Church).

What I am finding interesting is dictators and facism which is often associated with the extreme right all stem back to socialistic regimes?

Jews have often been credited with their success in history due to their emphasis on learning and education.  Much of this education is based upon our history but for some reason the connection of "socialism is bad for us" is missed.

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And for good reason. It's necessary given the unique circumstances of military service.  

The key word is open which means homosexual conduct. The current law  prohibits against homosexual conduct stating,  

“The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability,”.

Military law is even-handed....no kind of sexual misconduct is acceptable.  

The net effect isn't different becasue once we integrated women into an all male institution,the problems with sexual misconduct went up. Common sense tells us that if we add homosexual men and women to the mix, the male-male/ female-female problems will multiply.  

I can't believe that the current troops in the military want open homosexuality in the armed services.

I don't like the { }. Makes it difficult to read.

Military law isn't even handed in this case.  A heterosexual living in the baracks is allowed to put up pictures of his girlfriend/wife and children but a homosexual is NOT allowed to put up pictures of his boyfriend unless he covers it up saying that it is a close relative or something like that.  How is that fair or even-handed?

Again I ask why?  What unique circumstances are there that should deny someone to acknowledge who they are?  Because a heterosexual might be in a fox hole with a homosexual?  I doubt either of them are going to be contemplating the others sexuality while they are there as they are probably going to be more focused on repelling the enemy.

Exactly, open.  A heterosexual can take to his/her spouse or significant other on the phone and express their love for one another and opening talk with their commrads afterwards on who they were talking to, a homosexual can't do that.  A heterosexual can have their spouse or significant other present when they deploy and can even kiss them goodbye, a homosexual can't do that either.  That simply isn't right.

Why wouldn't they?  I can imagine some would be opposed but why would most of them?  It's another body and another gun to help them accomplish whatever mission they happen to be on.

There is no such connection.

The inquisition was hardly socialism. And fascist regimes are also not "socialism", despite the fact that they call themselves such.

The Zionists were socialists, and they managed to found a country based on socialist ideals. The country survived (thank G-d), but its socialist ideals did not (also thanks). Those socialist features that worked remained (for example the qibutzim), others were replaced with free market solutions.

That is nonsense. The Israeli military doesn't discriminate against homosexuals, neither open such nor otherwise. And the IDF is certainly not incompent or fragile or whatever it is that homosexuality among soldiers might introduce to an army.

Both are rooted in Marxism.  Although they are different they are still pretty close and have similar roots.

Not at all.

The inquisition happened centuries before Marx (who was Jewish) ever lived.

And fascism was founded as an opposition to Marxism (by former Marxists, no less).

Communists and (real) socialists were among the first victims of the Nazis.

I deal with soldiers on a day to day basis (when they're not deployed) and I can say with certainty that there are openly gay people in the military. Women, mostly. Everybody they work with knows they are gay, but because of the rule, they just aren't supposed to mention it to their commanders--basically, don't bring your sexuality to work... which is something we should all do anyway, regardless of orientation. No soldier has ever said working with gay people is a problem (to me--I do realize that they don't tell me everything!).