Pope Meets Priest Accused of Anti-Jewish Remark

our sufferings.



the fall of Adam


forgiveness


the resurrection

The Standards we go by is the House of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob as to the Sabbath,because these people have kept the same Sabbath as they have for better then 5,000 yrs. so by now they should be authoritive on what we believe,follow,and live by as in regards to the Kingdom.
Yahshua himself showed us the Sabbath and kept the Sabbath as Torah entended us to keep Sabbath.

So my question is this do you believe what RABBI Yahshua had to say on the final matter or your pastor of hell?
Pastor Terry
Truth and Knowledge Messianic Ministries

You know I was just thinking we need to pause for a minute and reflect on our Messiah and His Apostles and Prophets who have time and time spoke the words of returning to Yahwehs Torah and ask for forgiveness of being a criminal against the Kingdom.

Lucifer and his Prince Iesus preach rebellion,disobedience,and worship of self,think on all the words you all have just posted for I see alot in the writings so far who is seeing Lucifer behind religon and those who embrace hisPrince of Iniquity..
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Master, Master, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Master, Master, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock:

You that work outside of Torah depart from me,do you all really want to get caught playing with Lucifer and his lawless bunch?
Pastor Terry

not argueing against any of this.

just wanting someone to show me which day god rested on. besides the 7th day.

because i am being accused of trying to change god.

The 7th day has never changed even when they added 15 days to the calendar when they placed Pope Gregorians calendar as the calendar we follow,notice how the Authority which gave us christianity used the names of pagan gods throughout the calendar,but they never changed the 7th day.....Sunday/1st day-Fri/6th day has been the same since time.
Pastor Terry

Concerning the Sabbath:

Considerable confusion still exists regarding the sabbath-day.

It's often due to failure to realize that when God said: "Remember the sabbath-day, to keep it holy" Exodus 20, He did not say to keep Saturday holy.

Sabbath, Shabbath in Hebrew, means rest, while Yom ha-Shabbath means day of rest, and not Saturday, hence Sabbath is not a specific day be it the seventh or the first.

In both Ex.20 and Deuteronomy 5, God says: "Six days shalt thou labor, and do all they work: but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God." The phraseology does not fix the 6 days that shall be days of labor, and the definite article (THE seventh day) merely implies that any day following the six successive days that the Jews select as their 7th day was satisfactory to God.

The Jewish days were numbered, the only one named as well as numbered was the sabbath-day. The names Sun-day, Moon-day and Saturn-day (Saturday), unknown for a thousand years after the Jews began to keep the sabbath holy, were of Egyptian astrologic origin, which rose from the practice of naming each day by the planet that was supposed to rule the first hour of the 24 hour day.

There is no universal cosmic, 7th day, so the selection of a 7th day, a sabbath day, is an arbitrary act on the part of man. Some Greeks selected Monday, Persians Tuesday, Assyrians Wednesday, Egyptians Thursday, Muslims Friday, Jews Friday at sunset to Saturday sunset, and Christians Sunday, though only the Jews and Christians had Divine sanction for their selection.

Can I ask a question?

Have any of you paid attention in history class and christian class?
Pastor Terry

The Jews is the key verse;
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?

2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of Elohim.

3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of Elohim?

4 Elohim forbid: yea, let Elohim be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.

5 But if our righteousness commendeth the righteousness of Yahweh, what shall we say? Is Elohim unrighteous who visiteth with wrath? (I speak after the manner of men.)

6 Elohim forbid: for then how shall Elohim judge the world?

7 But if the truth of Elohim through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

8 and why not (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we before laid to the charge both of Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin;

10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one;

11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after Elohim;

12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not, so much as one:

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; With their tongues they have used deceit: The poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of Yahweh before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of Elohim:

20 because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.

21 But now apart from the law a righteousness of Yahweh hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 even the righteousness of Yahweh through faith in Yahshua Ha Mashiyach unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;

23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of Elohim;

24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Mashiyach Yahshua:

25 whom Elohim set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of Elohim;

26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Yahshua.

27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith.

28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

29 Or is Elohim the Elohim of Jews only? is he not the Elohim of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also:

30 if so be that Elohim is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? Elohim forbid: nay, we establish the law.

alot of christians tear this chapter out of their christian bibles for it is offensive that we are to go learn from the jews but not follow their talmud/decrees of man.
Please go study before it is to late,for in the end your Testimony better be a good one.
Pastor Terry

Do you know when the Sabbath was instituted, danielost? It wasn't with Adam, it was with Moses. And by that time, a pretty sophisticated calendar had been devised. So I'm pretty sure of its accuracy.

But from here on out, I'll follow MM's advice (and lead) and let you wallow in your own ignorance. You seem quite happy there!

This is why the Christian system of Lucifer is more powerful on earth then the people who follow the Covenant of the Set Aside People,for ignorance breeds more ignorance..

So who wants to learn about overcoming heathenism/christianity?
Pastor Terry

Daniellost posts:


That the term sabbath does not relate exclusively to the 7th day of a week, Saturday, is evident in the Pentateuch, in which many other sabbaths are enjoined besides the one that was selected by the Jews to follow after 6 days of labor. There is the Sabbatical and Jubilee year for example.

To properly understand the question of the sabbath one must realize first of all that Sunday is no less a 7th day, in the religious sense than Saturday, though the calendar we use which originated many centuries after the Jews selected their 7th day, lists it as the first day of the week.

Any day that follows 6 days of work, may be observed as a sabbath, a rest day, though the particular 7th day of the Jews had to be selected by Jewish authority was necessary to supercede it with another 7th day, the Lord's Day.

The 7th day of rest is not of Sinaitic origin. Ages before there were any Jews, before there was any such thing as a calendar, "God blessed the seventh day"...His rest day Genesis 2:3.

The Hebrews worshipped the one true God on a sabbath day from the days of Abraham until Moses brought them the Commandments on tablets of stone, a period of 400 years, without having a prescribed sabbath day. The Jewish encyclopedia giving Rashi, Maimondies and the Talmud as its authorities, says,"Tradition assumes that the sabbath law had been proclaimed at MOrah, before the Sinaitic revelation.

The Commandment, "Remember to keep the sabbath day holy" was not changed or abrogated and never rightly can be, for it is one of GOd's eternal and therefore unchangeable commandments.

What Christians did was to change the reckoning of the 7th day; to select a day to supercede the particular CEREMONIAL 7th day of the Jews, which was an exclusively Jewish sabbath day: " a sign between ME (God) and you (Moses) throughout your generations". Ex. 31:13.

The Jews has a Divine authoritive right to intepret God's Commandments and to designate the time and character of their ceremonies called for in the Pentateuch, when they were not specifically outlined therein.

IN a word, they spoke with authority, but that was in the days when they had the Aaronic priesthood, a sacrifice, a Temple, and a Sanhedrin (high court). Those were the days when the Messias was to come and thus to fulfill their Divine mission.

That day came, when Jesus Christ, the Messias was born; when He instituted a Church to take the place of the Synagogue; when He instituted a new priesthood and a new sacrifice such as was foretold in the OT. It was then, after the Church began to function in the Cenacle, that the ceremonial law of the Jews including their 7th day ceased to be binding, the final authoritative end to Jewish ceremonials being proclaimed at the Council of Jerusalem.

The end of the Jewish sabbath was foretold by Osee, the prophet of the kingdom of Isreal when he said, "ANd I (God) will cause all her (Israel) mirth to cease, her solemnities, her new moons, her sabbaths, and all her festival times." 2:2.

THat is why the Chruch Father Justin Martyr would say in the 2nd century, that the Jewish Sabbath "was not in force before Moses, so it is no longer needed after the coming of CHrist."

With an end of the mission of biblical Judaism, came a change, not in the Commandment, Remember, to keep the sabbath-day holy", but in the ceremonial day, by the selection of Sunday, to supercede the Saturday sabbath of the Jews, which was selected by the Jews for the Jews only. What the Sabbath was to the Jews, while they were a "kingdom of priests, a holy nation" Ex.19:6, the sabbath of the New Dispensation (Covenant) is to the Christians, since they became the "chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation." 1St.Peter 2:9.

The Christian sabbath superceded the Jewish sabbath; it was not a continuation of it. While both sabbaths paid honor to the same God, they were prompted by different motives.

The Jewish sabbath was in remembrance of God having rested on the 7th day after His completion of the material universe, also in memory of the deliverance of the Jews from Egyptian bondage.

The CHristian sabbath was instituted in remembrance of the Resurrection of Jesus, the Messias from the dead, the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles at the first Pentecost, which marked the beginning of CHrist's kingdom on earth, His Church. Also as a memorial of man's freedom from the bondage of Original Sin, through the reparation made by Christ for the sin of Adam and Eve, our first parents.

Hey Pastor Terry:

You're quite an ass. Every post you've made here as dripped with condescension.

I wouldn't turn to your officious advice for anything.

Why thank you,those words mean alot to me,for when truth comes out I have many others like you who come along and say hey lets go follow Lucifer and if anyone says no they are a pompous ass who is no fun...You can either follow the scriptures in truth or perish in ignorance your choice for your sun worshippingLucifer following Pastor is not going to tell you the truth.

Lulu,quit with replacment theology it has failed and has been trashed,for their is no replacing the Covenant given to People Israel,who ever makes claims like this are in danger,go read Romans 3,Ephesians 2 and John 5,there is no replacment,just a regiving of the original.
Pastor Terry

As to the point of the original article, I think the fact that the Pope called this priest onto the carpet (and I feel pretty certain that's what most likely happened as the Pope doesn't summon priests to him on a whim) is a pretty good example of the Catholic church's official opinion on this matter.

It's unacceptable. Period. Christianity is a direct descendent of Judaism and the two are very closely related, enough so as they could be considered to be different sects of the same core religion. The anti-Semite attitude is very unChristian to say the least.

Since this has turned into Christian vrs Christian and what I know about Christianity is almost nil, I shall remain silent on the subject, but I am here reading and following with intense attention as it seems that even among yourselves {Christians} there is a huge divide.