the numbers are out of the air

the policy exists.

the government which provides universal meds such as Canada will limit the number of treatments for certain medical procedures. i used the heart transplant as an example because of it's expense.

Ok. Everyone, look carefully:



Not only is he pulling numbers out of thin air, but he is speculating on something that he totaly invented, that never actually happened, in order to spread fear into your mind. To create some sort of... innuendo, some random link into your mind between universal healthcare and governement's heartless (no pun) actions.

Even if he isn't trying to make this idea pass as the truth (he emphasis a lot about pulling the numbers out of thin air, thu trying to get a false aura of truthfulness), he will have made that one baseless speculation which can influence your jugement about this topic (universal healthcare).

Beware such mastery of the innuendo. Small sniping comments can have a lot more influence than you think.

I don't think so. Unless you include yourself with the conspiracy group I don't see The Patriot Act that way.

The Patriot Act was a very strong response to Sept. 11. Signed into law just 45 days after the attack in Oct. 26. At that time we did not know all the details of all that was going on, who attacked us, are there more, etc. I see this comparison to a school lock down just on a larger level. Someone comes in and blows up the boys bathroom. The school is then locked down. Why? Because no one knows who blew up the boys bathroom and whether there are more on the way. In BOTH cases there is a CAUSE that RESULTED in a temporary restriction. The Patriot Act was Temporary. When Bush signed it in 2001, The Patriot Act was to expire Dec. 31 of 2005. With two extensions the Patriot Act expired March 10, 2006.

If you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Patriot_Act
You will find a series of Gallup polls.

Please note the support of the Patriot Act and how it tapers off.

This is a normal response.

A compromise bill was passed and signed in March 2006 after the expiration of the Patriot Act.

Drastic event then requires drastic response.

I don't see a comparison to Hillary here.

ok what ever i cant find the story.

next tho you will tell me that the canadian health system like all universal health systems isn't bleeding to death

As far as I know, no. It has his flaws, but in many way, it is more efficient than other health care system, such as the U.S.'s

But in other ways, it is less, that is true. You are a big fan of universal healthcare bashing, aren't you?



I'm glad to hear that. Is this compromise bill permanent, and what does it consist?

I voted for Bush after being a life long Democrat, MY deep Hatred for Hanoijohn Kerry Started way back in 1973 before he got into politics, but went before Congress and called Vietnam vets baby killers, women rapist, He compared us to the Hoards of Genghis Khan, He claimed we shot civilians in the back, Basically painted each and every one of us with the same brush making no distinction between those of us that served honorably and those that did behave in the manner he described {Mi Lai}, When I saw he had a good chance of becoming President I switched Parties and voted for Bush, much to my shame now, BUT I still would vote for me for President before I voted Kerry in.

according to world health


canada is 30 and the usa is 32.

but we dont have to wait up to 17 weeks to go in for a cold or flu

According to the most recent Statistics Canada data, 21 percent of Canadians encounter difficulties when they need to see a specialist; 13 percent, in receiving non-emergency services; and 16 percent, in having diagnostic tests done—a total of 1.1 million Canadians. In the meantime, Canada’s health care spending is higher than ever, absorbing an increasing share of provincial revenues, and deflecting spending from other needed programs.

Long waiting times and the rationing of access to health services are symptoms of a costly health care system in need of a cure. As we head to the polls, Canadians and political leaders continue to debate the question of changes to Canada’s universal public health care system and the proposed privatization of some specialized services.

WWW Link

Parts are permanent and exempted parts expire Dec, 31, 2009.

Here's a much better summary than I could present:


WWW Link

Danielost:

You do realize that by saying this you are pretty much accepting that illegal immigrants should also be allowed to use our healthcare system (not a universal one)because they too pay:



everytime they spend money at stores, gas station and hotels. I mean after all illegal immigrants for:




So you may want to rethink this point. You can't complain about illegal immigrants, who spend some of their money in our own economy, because they use our healthcare system (ER and ambulances for example) while wondering why an American trucker can't benefit from Canada's universal healthcare system while paying taxes on food, gas and room, just like an illegal immigrant does here in the US.

that's a real good point charles, have a insightful cookie on me!

Even for all it's flaw, you just reckognized that Canada's health system is better rated than the U.S.'s. So for every flaw you find in our system, there are strong points that compensate for it.



That is a total lie, stop making stuff up.



First time I read this, I told myself "my god, danielost grew a vocabulary".

You look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye.

I never said that universal healthcare is better in Canada than in the U.S., but you constantly try to bash it down. From the beggining of this argument, you aimlessly invent things, or take into account unilateral criticism. Is there a point to your constant trolling?

basically i don't trust the government with my daily life. if those on the fleet that went down on 9/11. had waited for the government to do something that plane would have hit its target. and this is my belief, every citizen of every other country would have waited.



there was a chart with that i just can't find the page again. according to the chart we are the same.



yes but those truckers aren't there illegally

Not to be a butt-head but America has the best health care in the world. You just have to have the money to access it. That is the single flaw and for many a fatal one.

But no one that lives here, legal or Illegals is denied health care if it is an emergency no one!

The amount of care I received while I was In a coma in January was the best, they saved my life {well that and my fighting spirit the doctors said}.

I have read some articles in news media pretty much trashing the Canadian health care system along with the one in Great Britain, are they true? I have no way of knowing, You would know much more than I, living there. BUT Little whips mother-in-law had to wait forever to have some health care in great Britain {I forgot what it was for but is was a crucial thing}. I for one DO NOT want socialized medical health care in America, I do not like the Idea of the government having that much access to my health records or some petty Washington D.C. Bureaucrat deciding if I can have a procedure or not.

There is a difference between socialized medical health care, and universal health care.

Socialized isn't really a good thing (IMHO). And Canada's isn't socialized health care. It's simply a public insurance system. Which means everyone has access to hospitals, which means the supply is never ennough for the demand. And even if you trashed the fact that in Canada, provinces have difficulties meeting the healthcare price, the Federal governement have a really balanced budget (providing surplus!) that can help provinces in the need.

Off course in USA the waiting isn't long, but it's because peoples can't afford going to the hospital in the first place.

do you know what is the strangest thing of all? Canada's deficit has been stopped by the LIBERAL party. While the conservative governement is increasing spending in useless military infrastructures (while he could at least use it in more efficient fields of military)