ok agreed but 12,000 for a non hospital stay visit is a lot of money even with the use of the aircraft

although My stay in the hospital was totally covered by my insurance the total bill for 20 days in Intensive care and 5 days in just the regular care part of the hospital came to over 250,000 dollars. that's 10 grand a day average.

well,

1) Our healthcare system is, in theory, free for Canada's citizen and resident (permanent resident, which is an official status). If you have the insurance health card with you, you are accepted free of charge in most hospitals. However, if you forgot your card, lost it, or never suscribed for a renewal, you are in trouble. However, there are way out of these troubles.

2) The governement doesn't pay for emergency transports (you are billed by the ambulance), but poor people are allowed financial support (I think)

3) Any citizen non-resident in Canada has the right to the insurance card

4) Public health insurance doesn't cover certains area. Also, you cannot bypass waiting lines and pay. Since most hospitals are public, they can't accept payment to prioritize you. It also means that "general" private health insurance (you know, the cover-all) is illegal in our country. Patients are NOT customers.

5) Non-citizens and non-permanent resident have to pay for the uses of our hospitals. I reckon it may be expensive (a lot), but on the other hand, most Canadian don't have private insurance for "regular" health trouble, and has to pay the hard money if they get sick/injured in a foreign country (specially in the USA).

Off course, a travelling insurance helps a lot. But so would travelling insurance help a lot to American citizen coming in Canada.

Here is a page of statistics about our health care system. It's not the best in the world, but it's far from the worst

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

You forget that Stalin had taken over a falling Imperial regime. the people of Russia simply replaced a dictatorship with another, and they had not the sense to notice it. Hell, the change wasn't that dramatic from their point of view. Now, however, they had the illusion of being in control, and favored by the system.

the people of America aren't under a dictatorial regime. The lefty democracts are not planning a revolution, and if they win and try to opress America the way Staline did, I am quite sure you would awake quickly and have her impeached.

the U.S.A. are the worst country for:

1) Military Coup
2) Institution of dictatorship

As opposed to Canada, which had instituted military rule on one of it's province less than 40 years ago. (search "October Crisis" on wiki)

You have nothing to fear about liberals. With the kind of vigilence you apply on them, there is nothing they can do. You know that in the eye of a lot of people, over here, George W. Bush has done a lot more thing that pushed Democracy back than any other president in the U.S. ever? The expansion of the executive power - as often denounced by liberals - IS a bad thing, overall.

There is a lot to be criticized about George W. Bush's ruling. Both in application, and in it's consequence. A lot of people fear him as much as you fear Hillary Clinton. The worse thing is, for the same reason.

exactly, one Bush was more than enough. to have Hillary in office behaving much like Bush {doing whatever she feels like} will cause more harm than good. We have not had a good President for decades and more, the last President with any kind of spine was FDR, Since then we have had nothing but crap {well Eisenhower was ok, so was JFK} Sadly I must admit to voting for Bush in 2004, I even changed parties from a long time democrat {registered in 1968} changed in 2003 due to the super garbage the Democrats had to offer in 2004. The 2004 vote for Bush is the only Vote I have ever been ashamed of. Well the votes for Diane Feinstein and Barbra Boxer too.

On #2, that would depend on the kind. We are actually close to having a judicial dictatorship since they are unelected, and have over stepped their authority on more than one occassion.

And of course #2, does not include what the left say that GWB is doing anyway.

sorry but this is the main problem with universal med. no choice

What the left thinks is not even in the realm of reality. I have never seen a group of people more out of touch with what mainstream America thinks.

Hillary champions the same. "We really care about you." I will agree that I doubt Hillary would be able to go as far as Stalin did but many things can be done in secret. Regulations like statistics can be present one way but the data is proves completely otherwise.



One can only hope. I'm not sure how deep our countries apathy lies. We used to do sterilization in the US less than 40 years ago. Right now in Florida there is an organization that can just subjectively take children away from their families that is currently being abused. The US culture that I see is "if it don't effect me don't bother me." I may sound like an alarmist but there are many venues that could be easily corrupted to cause oppression with some regulations from the socialists.



Interestingly enough I find the politicians that criticize Bush the most are the one's who have made tons of money through him. What do I mean? Clinton's for example criticized Cheney for his association with Haliburton and all the while they have made millions. Some say "well that was a great investment" but I find it ironic coming from the very one's who is criticizing.

see AD it's only bad and evil if a Republican makes money on something, if a liberal makes money on the same thing it "was a wise investment" "careful planning"
"a considered move" " MY broker suggested it"

why not Ralph Nader? That would have been a better vote of protestation than you could dream of, and I don't think it's possible that he would actually win.

Vote for Bloomberg in the next presidential election if you are really disgusted about the two parties in power. Let me tell you, they are going to change things!



George W. Bush and the Patriot Act already do it, no?

Let me tell you what makes me afraid:

Republican Partisan on day X: The Patriot Act is nothing to be afraid. They will simply use it to protect national security.

Republican PArtisan on day Y: The Democrats are the biggest treath to national security.

Take X and Y together. What if other people followed that line of reasoning? Here is the treath, in EITHER supporting un-warranted spy, or thinking of any political movement as a national treath.

People are afraid that allowing private healthcare will make the public a poor and inneficient one. (well, even more inneficient). Nurses and Doctors will all go to private practice (well, the best ones), and the poor peoples who can't affort a private insurance will be left with the scrap.

And... I am sorry to say, but these arguments ARE sound.

we are also afraid that the government will only allow three heart tranplants a year, and i am fourth on the list, like in canada. of course the numbers above were pulled out of the air.

Chapter 23

And when the day comes that it seems like the whole world is falling apart,
2 And the Most Chosen Nation on Earth has lost its heart,
3 And its faith,
4 And its children,
5 And a bunch of its most popular leaders,
6 And its future,
7 The TV journalists will still be there,
8 Sitting slightly above it all,
9 And explaining everything,
10 So that everyone can understand it,
11 In just twenty-two minutes a night.

Chapter 24

And who knows just what the people would do,
2 If they weren't there,
3 Through all the bad times,
4 And the tragic times,
5 To explain that it's all happened before,
6 And will probably get worse,
7 Because everyone is lying,
8 Except the TV journalists,
9 Who are wise enough to see through it all,
10 And put it all on tape
11 In living color,
12 And read the whole story into the camera,
13 Like a friendly, sharp-fanged uncle,
14 Night after night after night,
15 Because the awful truth can never hide from the power of TV,
16 As long as they can have their twenty-two minutes a night.

Now you have my answer: The Media

What is your point? Why pull numbers out of the air?

What is the nonsense in limiting the number of heart transplant a year?