Gitmo and the Detained Terrorist

No American Citizen RIGHTS FOR THEM!

Published on July 1, 2007 By Moderateman In War on Terror

I think that anyone that is crying about the Gitmo Terrorists and how they are being detained should stop for a second and think about how our troops are treated by them when we are captured and detained.

Beheading! Cutting off of penises, Disemboweling, Being dragged behind moving vehicles while crowds cheer.

We on the other hand give them a clean place to live, Medical treatment most Americans do not have, three meals a day tailored for their dietary laws, we cloth them, we give them their very own holy book, we DO NOT interrupt them during their many prayer times a day, we respect them at all costs.

So when crying and worrying about the Poor TERRORISTS at Gitmo, think where would YOU want to be held at, Gitmo or at the hands of the Terrorists?

Some people want them to be given the same rights as American citizens! ridiculous I say, these are not just criminals, these are people bent on the total annihilation of all things America and all things western.

We have release some of these folk due to outside pressure from the bleeding heart crowd, only to later find them once again fighting against us and the coalition on the battlefield. Many of these TERRORISTS we have tried to repatriate back to their own countries, but their own countries refuse to accept them. What do we do then? Release them in downtown Manhattan?

These prisoners are prisoners of war and they will be held till the war is over. They are dangerous people that would gladly rip the baby out of a pregnant woman's belly if she was an American, even if this woman was the one that got them out of prison, they have no conscious, no morals, no principals. They kill their own Muslim women and children by the thousands just because they can and some of you want to give them a day in court? ha! they will kill you too!

Comments (Page 2)

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

Reply By: cactoblastaPosted: Sunday, July 01, 2007
Most of the Gitmo inmates were released without charge. They were thus by definition 'innocent' and probably unlikely to be as vicious as you claim. If they were guilty of ripping babies out of western women's wombs the US government is criminally negligent. If they're not then you don't know what you're talking about.

AS USUAL YOU ARE BABBLING, i NEVER SAID THEY RIPPED ANYTHING OUT OF ANYONE, I said "They are dangerous people that would gladly rip the baby out of a pregnant woman's belly if she was an American, even if this woman was the one that got them out of prison"

But you never let FACTS get in the way of your apoligist attitudes.,

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

Reply By: Island DogPosted: Sunday, July 01, 2007
They were thus by definition 'innocent' and probably unlikely to be as vicious as you claim.
Actually not. There are plenty of criminals walking on U.S. streets today who were not charged with a crime for a variety of reasons, but they are still dangerous people. We should be looking at the prisoners who were released and have gone right back to doing what they did before.....terrorism.

amy is NOT going to listen DOG, she has made her mind up, and FACTS WILL NOT SWAY HER.

Locamama

on Jul 02, 2007

You don't "quite" seem to get it, do you? They are in Gitmo because THEY WERE CAUGHT ON THE BATTLEFIELD, SHOOTING AT OUR SOLDIERS! Not just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They were not all caught on the battlefield.

Yes, some of these detainees are terrorists. I am sure that most of them hate Americans even more after being held for six years. Most of the detainees were not arrested on the battlefield. In Afganistan, warlords used the US dragnets to get rid of people they didn't like and got paid large rewards for naming these people. Many prisoners have been released including two boys, aged 8 and 10. I don't care how much pressure is put on the U.S. government, I don't believe they would release these detainees if they were truly a threat to our country.

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

Reply By: toothache's revengePosted: Sunday, July 01, 2007
locamama, i have read a lot of your writing, and have a lot of respect for you.
i know that i am new around here, but so far, no-one seems to mind me jumping right in. and thank you all for that.

having said that, i just have to ask; who cares if the detainees hate america? who cares if they hate us more now? before 9-11, they hated us, and i didn't even know it. (i freely admit that i had no idea what was going on in our world till those planes hit those buildings). my point is, them hating shouldn't really matter. it shouldn't play in to how we handle this problem. i've found, in my own experience, that the best way to handle most things is to handle them quickly and un-emotionally. we have done neither in iraq.

i truly believe that if we had just done this war at full speed and gotten it over with, we would already be at the rebuild stage. most of our troops would be home, my brother, hbw included, and we would be hearing all about the good works going on over there. the violence would be still there of course, but much less. it would be secondary news.

the liberals who say we can't win this war are the reason we can't win this war.
it happened a long time ago in vietnam, too. hippies and nay-sayers made it impossible to fight effectively. we are having the same problem now. why do we have to explain ourselves? the whole world saw what happened on 9-11. why isn't that enough reason to solve this problem? all the liberals ask "what does winning mean?" that is a distraction. the question will answer itself when it happens. america can win this and make terrorism a dormant problem without going too far. its what we do. we are not a conquering nation. if we where, most of europe would be ours. canada and mexico would be a weekend war. i wouldn't have spent $71.45 to fill up my truck before work today.

try to worry about us first. worry about our troops. worry about you and your family. if you don't, and that really becomes the prevailing attitude in this country, then we will let the crazies in the world take over this country, and there will be no-one, no country left who cares enough about the rest of the world. to do all of the good things we do around the world.

america is far from perfect. i could go on for hours about the problems i have with her, from abortion to the death penalty. from politicians to other politicians. but we are the country that gives the most around the world. while other countries scream that we aren't doing enough, we don't get childish, we don't pull back. we give more.

i want to be able to give more forever. we cannot last if we don't take care of ourselves. we can't let the laws go to hell to protect a few detainees. or illegal immigrants for that matter. we have to be able to hurt peoples feelings, and crack a few eggs to make this omelette. we have to be strong in order to be kind. when america is gone, so is a lot of the charity and kindness in the world.

spock (the vulcan, not the doc) said it best.
"the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

this is why our soldiers are there. they get it. i do get to talk to and know a lot of soldiers before they go, and when they come home. its part of my job. they all have a different take on it, but it mostly boils down to the same. let us do our thing, and get home. don't send us there to tie our hands.
i believe we are stronger and safer on the offense.

side stepping the geneva convention is a good idea, in this case. it gives us time to evaluate the problem. if bush just said that these dudes where prisoners of war, he could let them rot until the end. by classifying them as enemy combatants, it helps force the issue. our gov. really wants to have this problem solved. they want it solved before the war is over. thats how it seems to me.

thanks for the read double m

mm JUMPS TO FEET AND APPLUADS.... yayyyy what a great response, BUT get use to one thing here, The liberal loons will NOT LET FACTS GET IN THEIR WAY of any kind of thought process they have. NEVER!

Locamama

on Jul 02, 2007

amy is NOT going to listen DOG, she has made her mind up, and FACTS WILL NOT SWAY HER.

He was actually responding to Cacto's comment not mine.

I have made up my mind that these detainees should be tried whether as unlawful enemy combatants or prisoners of war, whether they are tried in U.S. federal court or under court martial, doesn't matter to me. The administration needs to make up their minds about how they are going to handle this and get on with it. Do you disagree?

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

LocamamaJuly 2, 2007 11:57:37

amy is NOT going to listen DOG, she has made her mind up, and FACTS WILL NOT SWAY HER.

My bad then.

I have made up my mind that these detainees should be tried whether as unlawful enemy combatants or prisoners of war, whether they are tried in U.S. federal court or under court martial, doesn't matter to me. The administration needs to make up their minds about how they are going to handle this and get on with it. Do you disagree?

Unless I am mistaken, they are being sent to muilitary tribunals, but this seems to not be good enough for some.

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

Reply By: Dr Guy Posted: Monday, July 02, 2007 The administration categorized the detainees as unlawful enemy combatants, not POW's, to sidestep the Geneva Convention. No, the GC set the rules. The administration is playing by them. If you want to criticize their status, blame the GC that was created when such a "war" was not thought of. The GC is very clear on who is an enemy soldier, and who is not. And the reason for the "who is not" is to protect those that are soldiers from the tyranny of the enemy states........................................... yep prisoners of war, must be in uniform, fighting under the flag of a enemy country, otherwise we could just shoot them as spies.

Locamama

on Jul 02, 2007

Unless I am mistaken, they are being sent to military tribunals, but this seems to not be good enough for some.

The military judges dismissed two cases because the government had not followed procedures to to declare the detainees "unlawful enemy combatants". That is required for the military commission to hear cases.

Dr Guy

on Jul 02, 2007

The administration categorized the detainees as unlawful enemy combatants, not POW's, to sidestep the Geneva Convention.

No, the GC set the rules. The administration is playing by them. If you want to criticize their status, blame the GC that was created when such a "war" was not thought of. The GC is very clear on who is an enemy soldier, and who is not. And the reason for the "who is not" is to protect those that are soldiers from the tyranny of the enemy states.

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

LocamamaJuly 2, 2007 09:06:42

It's not just liberals saying that anymore. Colin Powell said there cannot be only a military victory in Iraq. Republican Senators Lugar and Voinivich said that the buildup wasn't working and U.S. military presence in Iraq should be trimmed back.

while I respect Colin Powell Immensely, I also respect HIS OPINION, THAT'S ALL IT is an opinion, he is not there, he is no longer in command of any troops, he is no longer privy to any information except what he hears or gets to read in the MSM>

As for the Republican Senators all TWO of them , it must be election years for them.

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Monday, July 02, 2007
Unless I am mistaken, they are being sent to military tribunals, but this seems to not be good enough for some.

The military judges dismissed two cases because the government had not followed procedures to to declare the detainees "unlawful enemy combatants". That is required for the military commission to hear cases.

Amy? I fought in a war, crazy shit happens all the time, is it fair? no! does it happen! yes, can it be avoided? NO!

As for some poor schmuck getting all caught up being an innocent man, that happens here in America all the time too, people getting released because it is later found out they did not commit any crime at all. If one of the innocent detainees decided to go home and become a terrorist because we detained him, it still is not Americans fault, it is his or her fault, they make the decision to become terrorists.

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

Reply By: toothache's revengePosted: Monday, July 02, 2007
i'm a consevative who hates the death penalty. i don't like the thought of killing. like i said, i have a brother over there right now. i want him to come home safely. right now there is no bigger desire in my life.

How does your brother feel about all the liberal weenies like Harry Reid the MAJORITY leader saying the "war is lost" and how other liberal weenies are betraying him while he is fighting for his life and the American way?

drmiler

on Jul 02, 2007

No we don't. Because either one would be wrong. If they are indeed POWs then by international law we can not try them for anything. And unlawful enemy combatants are by the Geneva Convention are considered spies and "could" be shot without any trail. So maybe you should rethink your position.

You don't "quite" seem to get it, do you? They are in Gitmo because THEY WERE CAUGHT ON THE BATTLEFIELD, SHOOTING AT OUR SOLDIERS! Not just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They were not all caught on the battlefield.

I'm sorry to inform you, but they "were" caught on the battlefield by our troops or they wouldn't be in Gitmo. You need to get your facts straight.

Moderateman

on Jul 02, 2007

Citizen)drmilerJuly 2, 2007 18:20:48

that ain't gonna happen Docm.. they are going to find something to trash America about, no matter what we do, no matter how we treat prisoners, no matter how badly they treat us when we are prisoners of their terrorists. Somehow it just slips their minds, all the disemboweling, beheading, cutting off of penises of our troops, they just want us to treat these people better, I keep saying anyone that wants to treat them better should open their homes to them, invite them in for a nice dinner with the family. But no takers yet, they just want to BITCH AND MOAN ABOUT HOW BAD AMERICA IS!

LIKE THAT MOTHERFUCKER COLGANGRENE.

Locamama

on Jul 02, 2007

If one of the innocent detainees decided to go home and become a terrorist because we detained him, it still is not Americans fault, it is his or her fault, they make the decision to become terrorists.

Okay, I'll give you that MM. I'm all about personal responsibility. I just don't think we need to be making new enemies. We have enough.

Unlawful enemy combatants can be charged with war crimes for actions that would be legal for an ordinary soldier. The administration and Congress under a law passed last year consider those who fought in Afganistan unlawful combatants. The Supreme Court has now agreed to hear this case in their next session which begins in October. U.S. military commissions are authorized to prosecute only unlawful combatants. Under Geneva convention lawful combatants are entitled to POW status when captured regardless of whether the nation holding them prisoner recognizes the government. POW's can be tried under a court martial but there are different rules of evidence.

I'm sorry to inform you, but they "were" caught on the battlefield by our troops or they wouldn't be in Gitmo. You need to get your facts straight.

Here is what the military's own documents have to say about where these men were apprehended: Only five percent of the prisoners were picked up by U.S. forces, 86 % of the men were arrested and turned over to the U.S. forces by the Pakistani's or the Northern Alliance. According to the Seton Hall report "This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for the capture of suspected enemies. " (Pakistan's president Pervez Musharraf admitted in his "kiss and tell" book last year that the Pakistani government made millions of dollars turning over Arab's to the U.S. during that time period.)

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