Somebody explain that Diet of Worms thing to me. I always thought that sounded kinda gross...  

After Luther nailed his paperwork to the door he was invited to a party by the Roman Emperor. This meeting would occur in the German city of Worms. The Latin word for an imperial meeting is "Diet." So it was called The Diet (meeting) of Worms.

Luther expected to die at the diet. A century earlier under the same type of circumstance Jan Hus was burned at the stake. Martin was very scared at this meeting even asking for time to think things over. The next day he replied with the most famous quote of his..."My conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me."

He was kidnapped by his friends on his way out probably saving his life. He was taken to an abandoned castle where he stayed for most of a year studying and writing much during that time.

Worms is a city. A Diet is a big meeting. Link. I figure you're making a funny though.

yes. I didn't sleep through ALL of history class but I did try to stay on the back row.

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For those who sincerely don't know who these people are, Google Toolbar will set you free . Try the wikipedia plugin for it.

hahahah Baker, this image of Friedrich is forever burned in my brain as my image of you.

No wonder we're locking horns by looking at our results. Since we both seem to agree with Calvin somewhat...maybe we should look at Calvin's writings next regarding our "issues"...lol.

You scored as JEgen Moltmann, The problem of evil is central to your thought, and only a crucified God can show that God is not indifferent to human suffering. Christian discipleship means identifying with suffering but also anticipating the new creation of all things that God will bring about.

JEgen Moltmann67% Augustine53% Paul Tillich53% Anselm47% John Calvin47% Charles Finney40% Friedrich Schleiermacher40% Karl Barth33% Jonathan Edwards20% Martin Luther20%
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Don't know who this guy is yet, but I will free myself with google! " crucified God can show that God is not indifferent to human suffering" This part is a bit interpretive. Only a crucified god? I don't remember agreeing to that per se. Kind of interesting that I am obsessed with evil in the sense that I wasn't aware that I was obsessed with evil until I was linked with this guy and now I can't help but be obsessed...

What interesting answers, thank you all for going through the trouble of answering the quiz. I will take Bakers advice and look these people up, I do wonder why there are no Jews Included on this list of theologians, I assume there must be more than a few of them.

Hi MM,
My curiosity quotient is sky high for the want to take this quiz. My filter won't let me open it...and I'm not big on going through the gyrations of disenabling it, etc., etc., etc.


Maybe that's just as well, since I know KFC would never let me live it down if I scored high on Martin Luther! I see that she has just finished teasing Bakerstreet.

Of Martin Luther KFC posts:


As always, there are 2 sides to every story! Here's mine.

KFC POSTS: He managed to break loose of the church he once loved.

I'm not going to nit-pick, but using the words "break loose" is overboard. In the Catholic Church, from her beginning at the day of Penetcost in 29AD, in Luther's day, and today, anyone at anytime can enter, and at any time, leave of their own free will.

KFC POSTS: He was a Priest who opened up the bible and found out things in there that went against what the church was teaching.

Let's rephrase keeping facts from myth: He was a priest (who broke his vow to God and apostated from the Church). There is NOTHING in the Catholic faith that contradicts Scripture as the Catholic faith comes directly from Jesus and Apostolic teaching and by Christ's own promise, has never been abrogated or changed in any way. He indicts the Faith for his misery, but he was not practicing the Faith. He was following a system of his own thinking. The end result was a physical, mental, and spiritual depression which by a strange process of reasoning he was to impute to the Chruch's teaching on good works while all the time he was living in direct and absolute opposition to her doctrinal teaching and disciplinary code.

Many as KFC have accepted the accounts of the troubles of his life as having sprung from the false doctrines and wierd practices of the Church, as portrayed by Luther himself once he lost what faith he had. Others have blamed Catholic doctrine for having failed to bring Luther the promised spiritual progress and consolation. What is the teaching of the Church that Luther either never understood or failed to put into practice? The Chruch has never taught that sanctity comes through our own justice or works. Never. It follows that we receive God's gift of grace by first reaching out and praying and through the Sacraments which infuse the salvific graces won on the Cross into the soul.

KFC POSTS:
He was a man of anguish. He couldn't please God deeply enough as he was deeply aware of his own sin and of God's holiness. He was driven to study the scriptures.

Boy, o boy, is this ever true. Luther was a troubled man. Luther was unquestionably a man of remarkable energy and great ability---qualities he used not to reform and unify Christ's Chruch, but to assail, insult and rend it as best he could. If any one will further study Luther, they can easily find that he has a record which shows:
besides broken vows to God, a grossly immoral conduct, a dangerous doctrine of salvation without regard to a moral life, asserting instead that man is wholly unable to resist sensual temptations; a violent reckless form of preaching that led others to violence and produced terrible results to human life and property (check out the hideous Peasants' War. The peasants justified their evil conduct by texts of Scripture which Luther had told them was their only and sufficient guide.

A condoning of bigamy in order to retain a prince in Protestantism---Fierce and bloody intolerance to criticism---domineering arragance in his treatment and translation of the Scripture------and a direct incitement to burn and plunder Jewish houses, property and synagagues, all Catholic churches, monestaries, and nunneries.

KFC POSTS: While reading Paul's epistles Luther realized that the word "righteousness" means not only the condition of being righteous but also the act of declaring someone to be righteous. God not only is righteous. God can also give righteousness to sinners. This he found out was God's gift, given to every person who trusts Jesus Christ as Savior. The verse that most spoke to his heart was "The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:17 So he went about to make changes in the RCC he loved so much but his words were not accepted. In fact it set off a loud explosion heard all over the world. On Oct 31, 1517 Luther nailed his theses on the chapel door in Wittenberg. It didn't go over well.

KFC, it's true the CC would have no part of Luther's newfound notion of salvation....but all those who followed him and the other Reformers did and the new religion of Protestantism was begun. Protestantism conforms exactly to Luther’s system of salvation which he developed after reading Romans 1:17, “The just man liveth by faith.” By a process of reasoning peculiar to himself, he construed the word “faith” in this text to mean an assurance of “personal salvation” and ‘justification” to mean not an infusion of justice into the heart of the person justified, but a mere external imputation of it. This is taking St. Paul’s teaching too far to the extreme.

His novel doctrine erroneously dispenses with every other virtue enjoined in Scripture and secures the believer’s salvation through “faith without works” of Romans 3:28, a text, btw, that Luther falsified by adding the word, “alone”. Protestant oral tradition has handed down Luther’s teaching that we have only to believe in Him, take hold of His merits and put them on like a cloak i.e. external imputation. If we do that, we shall be saved and considered just by the righteousness of Christ. Luther said that all men have to do is remain passive. To attempt to do anything for himself for this salvation would be presumption.

So, summing up----one Scriptural verse, Romans 1:17, distorted by Martin Luther, with the assistance of the falsified Romans 3:28, became the foundation of Protestantism.

Reply By: lulapilgrimPosted: Monday, June 11, 2007

wow lula, so me a Jew scored as someone that seemed profoundly against Jews. sigh..

Here's another POV on Luther, MM.

He was open with his frustrations and emotions, as well. Once, when asked if he truly loved God, Luther replied “Love God? Sometimes I hate Him!” Luther was also frustrated by the works-emphasis of the book of James, calling it “the Epistle of Straw, and questioning its canonicity. Also irritated with the complex symbolism of the Book of Revelation, he once said that it too, was not canon, and that it should be thrown into the river! He later retracted these statements, of course. Luther was a man who was easily misquoted or taken out of context. While a brilliant theologian, and a bold reformer, he would not have made a good politician. But then, he never aspired to any career in politics.

Luther initially preached tolerance towards the Jewish people, convinced that the reason they had never converted to Christianity was that they were discriminated against, or had never heard the Gospel of Christ. However, after his overtures to Jews failed to convince Jewish people to adopt Christianity, he began preaching that the Jews were set in evil, anti-Christian ways, and needed to be expelled from German politics. In his On the Jews and Their Lies, he repeatedly quotes the words of Jesus in Matthew 12:34, where Jesus called them "a brood of vipers and children of the devil"

Luther was zealous toward the Gospel, and he wanted to protect the people of his homeland from the Jews who he believed would be harmful influences since they did not recognize Jesus as their Saviour. In Luther's time, parents had a right and a duty to direct their children's marriage choices in respect to matters of faith. Likewise, Luther felt a duty to direct his German people to cling to the Jesus the Jews did not accept. It should be noted that church law was superior to civil law in Luther's day and that law said the penalty of blasphemy was death. When Luther called for the deaths of certain Jews, he was merely asking that the laws that were applied to all other Germans also be applied to the Jews. The Jews were exempt from the church laws that Christians were bound by, most notably the law against charging interest.


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Lula, you said:


well you're the only one that I know who's ever said that the CC is NOT works based. Besides, read what you just said here......NEVER works you say but then in the next breath you say....we receive God's gift of grace by first.....

We on the other hand, as Protestants believe there's a period after grace. We receive God's gift of grace. Period. No first, seconds or thirds. Everything you just mentioned after the word grace....is works based.

Scripture is clear:

"For by grace you are saved through faith and that NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT of works, lest any man should boast." Eph 2:8-9

nothin at all compared to nailin 95 feces to a door.

i've been very patiently waitin for the day someone locates a 'which famous greek playwright or play are you?' thing so i can get my euripides and eumenides on.

"You scored as a composite of Bob Tilton, Joan d'Arc & Osiris."

like i needed a test to reveal that to myself.

You scored as Karl Barth, The daddy of 20th Century theology. You perceive liberal theology to be a disaster and so you insist that the revelation of Christ, not human experience, should be the starting point for all theology. Karl Barth 87% Friedrich Schleiermacher 60% Charles Finney 53% Paul Tillich 53% Jürgen Moltmann 40% Martin Luther 33% Augustine 27% Jonathan Edwards 20% Anselm 13% John Calvin 0% Which theologian are you? created with QuizFarm.com

This really surprised me