geeze you mean I missed the end of the world?

that she does, SHE, but the reading I have done says the real deal will have the spirit of SATAN in him Much as Christ had the spirit of GOD in him. Both are right your points and mine too.

Pope john Paul the second, just officially "forgave" the Jews for the death of Christ a few years ago. was that not nice of him?

I want one that says:

999 I am the real bad motherfucker.

Ah, well then that splains it!

That musta been when I heard the anti christ will be Catholic....heheheheh

geeze you mean I missed the end of the world?

Well in a sense... but I'm pretty sure you weren't born yet at the time. "End of the World" is probably not a good translation because of the images that conjures in our Western minds. "End of the Age" is a better translation.

I want one that says:999 I am the real bad motherfucker.

Or maybe it would be "999 ... I'm the upsidedown bad guy"

I need me one of those.

So, ummm, what tribe are you descended from? Are you trying to give us a heads up that you're about to make your move?

Levi.

Monday morning push for hopes of more talking about this subject.

Thank you, Moderateman, for posting the article. It's resulted in some thought provoking discussion and this is good.

Particularly in reference to the Christians, I take exception to your assertion of "no wonder that Christian and Muslims hate Jews so much". I deny that Christians,in general,hate Jews.



I have every confidence that the Biblical verses that you quote are 100% inerrant as they were written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The problems that inevitably arise concern the mis-interpretation of those Biblical verses resulting in erroneous commentary and conclusions.

You say the Antichrist is a Jew and proceed to prove that by first quoting Daniel's prophecy 11:37.

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers . . .nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all". Daniel 11:37

My Douay Rheims version has Daniel 11:37 a little differently. "And he shall make no account of the God of his fathers; and he shall follow the lust of women and he shall not regard any gods: for he shall rise up against all things."

What does this verse mean? What was happening and who was Daniel referring to? The angel was telling Daniel of many things to come with regard to the Persian and Grecian kings and the Hellenistic Wars. The entire chapter is concerned with the history of the worldly kingdoms from the time of Cyrus to the defeat of the tyrant Antiochus Epiphanes. Daniel describes the career of Antiochus IV, a most cruel and despised king and his persecution. Verse 37 which is the one quoted above is about Antiochus and how instead of regarding gods such as Apollo, he actually identified himself with Zeus,the god of their fortress of Rome, and of Jupiter, the gods of strongholds.

V. 21 tells us that Antiochus was the one despised and not received for king. Antiochus was considered by the early Chruch writers as a figure or type of Antichrist.

Here, Daniel's prophecy tell us nothing about the Antichrist being a Jew. Rather, it describes how the Antichrist (whether man or a system) is going be set fraudently be a tryantically cruel to the people as Antiochus was.

The next thing that is said is that the Antichrist is from the tribe/region of Dan and a rather bad translation of Jeremias 8:15-17 is quoted (to prove that point).

"We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of health, and behold trouble! The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein. For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD". Jeremiah 8:15-17

Yet, Jeremais 8:15-17 is not about the Antichrist being from the tribe of Dan. From chapter 2 on through, Jeremias expostulates with the Israelites for their ingratitude and infidelity to God's commands in the Old Covenant Mosaic laws. He invites those who have rebelled against Him to return with a promise to receive them if they do. He admonishes them to sincere repentance and warns of God's punishment and judgment to those who persist in sin. Chapter 8 concerns all of the evils that fall upon the Israelites for their impenitence. Yes, the word "Dan" is in there, but I am at a loss for understanding how that relates to the Antichrist being from the tribe of Dan.


ARQUONZO POSTS:


I tend to understand your sigh when it comes to Nero! What do we know of Nero? Look to the Book of Daniel and his prophecy. Many try to understand Daniel's reference to a 'little horn" as a symbol of Antiochus becasue another little horn mentioned in a later vision does refer to him who reigned during the 3rd kingdom about 2 centuries before Christ. The little horn hear points to Caesar Nero. Nero ruled Rome from 54-68 AD and the details of Daniel's vision fit him perfectly. Nero blasphemed against God by aggressivley enforcing emperor worship. Dan.7:20,25. The "little horn" was accused of "attempting to change the times and the law." 7:25.

The fierce and sustained trial of the Christian Chruch started when the little horn, Nero, needed a scapegoat for the fire that ravaged Rome. His persecution continued for about 3 years until his attention was diverted to the Jewish-Roman war.

Just as Daniel predicted, Nero declared war in Feb. of 67 AD and
in August of 70 AD, the Temple of Jerusalem fell before the Roman army of Titus. The Temple was torched and dismantled. The destruction of the Temple was an end to Biblical Judaism. Is. 2:2-5, 56. The Jewish-Roman War lasted 42 months, precisely 3 and one-half years. Jerusalem was to "be given into his hand for a time, two times, and half a time."


We can get a kind of a portrait of the Antichrist and the signs of his arrival if we put together Sacred Scripture and interpret that properly. The word "Antichrist" occurs only in 1St.John2:18-23. He warns the people against false teachers and speaks of several ANtichrists and he carefully distinguishes between the many and the one principled agent. "Antichrist is coming, so even now many antichrists have arisen."


What Scripture isn't so clear on is the doctrine of the Antichrist. It remains a great mystery. Cardinal Newman in treating the prophecy of Revelation (The Book of the Apocalypse), that Revelation does not intend to provide us with complete answers in all details but purposely leaves truths revealed to some aura of mystery the better to purify our faith in the fires of trial and to keep us alert, fighting and faithful in the uncertainity of expectation.

The doctrine of Antichrist, which is the mystery of iniquity and the mystery of Satan, might be more of an ongoing system (which includes people)that denies Absolute Truth. All the enemies of God bear the characteristic mark of the Antichrist. That brand is their denial that Our Lord Jesus Christ is God made man who came to earth and redeemed mankind. St.John the Evangelist states that the denial of Christ is aptly called the spirit of the Antichrist.

To me, Antichrist can only be understood in the context of total war being waged in human history over men in which God, Christ, and the Chruch are being attacked by Satan, his devils and their earthly accomplices. Whoever cooperates in the Antichrist work, becomes an agent culpubly involved in Satan's plan to scuttle God's plan for the salvation of mankind.

Now, I think this Satanic enterprise has been going on since the fall of angels and the fall of mankind from the day of Creation. Every man whether they know it or not, like it or not, accept it or not, find themselves in the heart of this struggle between good and evil.

I agree with Elie that the Antichrist is one person and will be from satan.

Now, I think this Satanic enterprise has been going on since the fall of angels and the fall of mankind from the day of Creation. Every man whether they know it or not, like it or not, accept it or not, find themselves in the heart of this struggle between good and evil.

I agree with you lulapilgrim here as well!


Shovel, you're hysterical! Had me laughing!!

ARQUONZO


Arquonzo, you must be referring to St.Matthew 24:1-31 when you say that Jesus' return and the 'end of the age' would be in the lifetime of his disciples listening to him? If not, which Scriptural passage is it?

In St.Matt. 24, Jesus spoke to His disciples of 2 separate events both having to do with God's Judgment. Verses 1- apply to the Jews living then living (in 33AD). In answer to His disciples' question, Jesus starts out by prophecying the Great Tribulation of the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Here God's Judgment falls down upon the unfaithful Jews. They were judged, destroyed and dispersed and the OLd Covental Laws were abolished. Many of the same signs and bad things, i.e. false prophets, sun darkening, tyrannical persecution, the abomination of desolation, etc. that we are told that will occur at Jesus' Second Coming for the Final Judgment of all mankind at the end of the world happened at the destruction of Jerusalem.

In Verse 6, Jesus is prophecying the destruction of Jerusalem, and not His Second Coming, "And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled. For these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

Jesus' message is that wars are not a sign of the end, but only the normal course of judgmental events that God brings to the earth. As a matter of fact it will be a superficial peace as a likly sign of the coming of the end of the world. Antichrist will at first appear to bring peace to nations.

In verses 15-31, we see how St.Matthew indicates that similiar events could take place at any time after his writing and could be applicable to anyone who is reading his Gospel. For example, applying the Abomination of Desolation that St.Matthew quotes Daniel could apply to the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes, and also would allow the Abomination to be applied to a future event, (but within their generation)for example, the then coming destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
So, what this all means is that the Abomination has multiple applications and thus applies to the distant future, like at the terrible times just before the end of the world of which no one knows when that will be except God, the Father in Heaven.


Regarding your post: "All prophecy was fulfilled, a LONG TIME AGO."

What we must remember about prophecies is that they can be fulfilled literally, and they can also be fulfilled spiritually, some have single fulfillments and some have multiple fulfillments.
I would say that all Old Testament prophecy has been fulfilled in the New Teatament, in CHrist and in His Kingdom. And many of those in the Book of Revelation (The Apocalypse) have been fulfilled too. Having said that at least some of the New Testament passages have not yet been fulfilled because the Second Advent of Christ is still to come. We simply don't know when and when Christ's disciples asked, Christ told them "to keep watch".

Reply By: little-whipPosted: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 i am the antichrist. (and i ain't jewish, either.)

nope if anything you are anti-mean,

Reply By: lulapilgrimPosted: Wednesday, May 02, 2007

thank you so much for your well thought out and well explained stance on this issue. you are a terrific writer, how come I do not know of you? MY BAD!