What if being heterosexual is a "chemical imbalance"? What if they could make you gay with a "little itty bitty tablet"? And if that doesn't work, maybe some kind of gene or radiation therapy. Or cosmic rays. Maybe prayer. And I assume, as long as the homos are taking their pills or praying away the gay, you'd all be fine with them adopting and raising kids in that "normal" environment.

In response to the poisonous puke you have poured over us, I respond in like manner:-

You obviously have not read the whole thread. Read it again before you start ranting and raving at people, making accusations and casting aspersions.

Don't go putting words in my mouth either - "maybe some kind of gene or radiation therapy. Or cosmic rays" you do not have that right! Choke on them pukehead!

And I assume, as long as the homos are taking their pills or praying away the gay, you'd all be fine with them adopting and raising kids in that "normal" environment.

Hetrosexual relationships are normal as nature intended, so yes hypothetically speaking if it turned out that gayness was cured by a tablet I would support kids being brought up in a normal hetro relationship. I do not agree with gays raising kids.

After all. Most families have maybe a grandparent. How should we legislate grandparents living with families. Two adult dudes in the same house, contributing to the upbringing of a child (and one insists on being called "Sir"!)? Sounds like a sin to me.

This little paragraph about grandparents is just ridiculous. It has nothing to do with the subject.

My... what an eclectic collection of prejudice and stupidity we have here.

Let's begin with the facts, shall we? Whatever the origins of homosexuality (or, for that matter, heterosexuality), be that in genetics, social conditioning, or the operations of the faggot fairy, the truth is that some definite per centage of the American population is homosexual.

What is the defining condition of being American? Citizenship. Whatever else American homosexuals are, they are citizens in virtue of being American. All citizens have rights - whether any of you rabid idiots like it or not. Homosexuality (or heterosexuality) is neither a positive condition for the possession of those rights, nor a negative condition prescribing the denial of those rights. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is a complete irrelevance to the question of whether one possesses the rights of citizenship or not.

For any real American, that ought to settle the issue of how homosexuals are to be treated. They are to be treated as citizens because they are citizens. Anything else is a matter of personal preference, prejudice and inclination.

As to where homosexuality comes from, how it's formed, or whether it's natural or not... I don't give a damn. I had my first homosexual relationship when I was 13. I have had others since. Equally, I have had several heterosexual relationships. I found each type of relationship thoroughly satisfactory in its own way.

Neither type of relationship had a deterministic effect on my nature as a civil human being and as a citizen of the nation that I lived in at that time. Why would it? They are completely separate questions; one having to do with my integrity as a member of a civil body, the other having to do with my integrity as a sexual being.

The fact that you people are incapable of seeing the difference, or respecting the separate nature of the questions involved, is only further proof to me that, in regard to sex, Americans as a whole are a deeply disturbed people.

And one more thing. If any of you Fothermuckers tries to feed me a pill to change my sexual preferences to suit your particular prejudices - I'll kick your Fothermuckin' asses. Believe it.

And while I'm thinking about it...

America is both a Republic and a Democracy. As a Republic it grants to its citizens rights, and exacts from them obligations. As a Democracy it gives to each citizen a voice in the affairs of the body politic - and that voice is a right completely independent of any condition of person other than citizenship.

You may not like what your Democracy does, and you have the right as as citizens of a Republic and a Democracy to make that dislike known. What you have absolutely no right to do is in any way advocate, or even appear to advocate, the curtailment of the right of other citizens to make their voice known.

Nor have you any right even to complain when the legitimate democratic voice of those with whom you disagree prevails over yours - and certainly you have no right, as jennifer1 does, even to infer that a medical condition (supposing that homosexuality could be reduced to a medical condition) should be rectified by treatment - when that supposed medical condition has no impact upon the ability of a citizen to function as a citizen.

Or is it your argument, jennifer1, that homosexuals are not capable of functioning as citizens, and ought therefore to be medicated to the point where they can so function?

What none of you appear to realize is that your 'debate', insofar as it is a debate and not the equivalent of schoolyard sniggering, concerns the validity or otherwise of a particular type of 'being-in-the-world'.

You arrogate to yourselves on the basis of a supposed 'naturalness' or 'un-naturalness' of certain types of sexual conduct the right to decide who shall or shall not participate in the civic body. The only condition for participation in a democratic civic body is citizenship, not sexual orientation. If a particular fragment of the civic body comes to dominate the civic process in relation to a particular issue... well, asholes, that's democracy for you.

Are you for democracy, or not? Are you for the rights of citizens, or not?

Are you American, or not?

My question is has anyone looked into the possiblitiy of chemical imbalances, quite simply because gayness seems to be on the increase in very big numbers, there has to be scientific reasons for this - not just sexual preference.

Its become quite the fad for teen-aged girls.

If they are of age, it might be a fine oppertunity for some young (or older) men to get a wish that many males have; to do it with a couple of lezzies

The fact that they are mostly younger girls participating in a sexual "fad", shows that they may easily be swayed into a threesome for some lucky guy. After all, most of this for young girls is indeed a fad, and they do have a regular adolesent affinity for guys.

I think what the civic body wants to do in the schools actually helps promote this enticing fad.

I'm also certain that these lucky guys are hoping these girls participate in this fad for maybe a couple of years past the age of consent.

Sometime I just love our civic body and our government. They made it easy for many guys dreams to come true.

How wonderful......NOT!!!

Seriously, is that going to happen? Because you can say goodbye to quick text messaging now.

  Fantastic! Very funny.  

28.4 percent of a 30,000 group study of homosexuals have tried to commit suicide against 8.2 percent of a group of 30,000 heterosexuals. With figures like this how can homosexuality be considered healthy or normal?

The problem with this rhetorical question is that you're drawing a conclusion from an unrelated premise. Its a false assumption to make that gays are topping themselves because they're gay. They're topping themselves because of a lack of societal acceptance due to their homosexuality which is a very different thing altogether.

In other words and to an extent - we're killing them.

I think it would also be instructive to look at the demographic data in terms of age of suicide attempt as well. You'll no doubt see a massive spike around puberty for homosexuals, right around the time they should either be "coming out" or denying themselves.

Either way the conclusion you've drawn is far too simplistic and does nothing to support your bias argument.

For all of you who think that anal sex is unnatural, it may be time to remember that a man's g-spot exists a few inches inside his anus. Next time you have sex, give a little thought to a little back-door stimulation - it may well improve your/your man's enjoyment a great deal.

Oh, and remember that God/Mother Nature designed men in that manner, which suggests that anal stimulation of some kind was intended in either 'the Great Plan' or evolution.

Strange, eh, that God loves gays too?

Citizen)cactoblastaSeptember 17, 2006 08:31:14

The male and female bodies human (not only human, the animal kingdom too) were created in pairs by nature for procreation, they obviously fit together for very good reasons. Gayness goes against the natural order of what nature intended.

Anal stimulation is not gayness. It is a sexual tool. Gayness is much more than just sex, it is a choice and a lifestyle that is growing in numbers rapidly.

As stated previously I do not object to gays, I infact get along with them very well and have a number of gay friends, I am commonly referred to as a fag hag!!

HRH

And one more thing. If any of you Fothermuckers tries to feed me a pill to change my sexual preferences to suit your particular prejudices - I'll kick your Fothermuckin' asses. Believe it.

Hetrosexual relationships are normal as nature intended, so yes hypothetically speaking if it turned out that gayness was cured by a tablet I would support kids being brought up in a normal hetro relationship. I do not agree with gays raising kids.

First off I don't f%^% mothers HRH! If it did turn out "hypothetically" speaking that gayness could be cured by a tablet - it would be choice to take it - no-one is going to shove it down your throat. To do otherwise wouold not be democratic!

Or is it your argument, jennifer1, that homosexuals are not capable of functioning as citizens, and ought therefore to be medicated to the point where they can so function?

Have I inferred that anywhere in my responses here YRH? You too are are making assumptions into my questions or reasons behind my questions. I suggest you educate yourself to my reasoning by reading my internet search for the answers on the following "Gay- chemically imbalanced?" which can be found under the science and technology channel in the forums

Gays are quite able to function within society, I have not argued that fact, I have said I do not agree with them raising kids as couples, I believe the environment would not be conducive to the child going the way nature intended sexually speaking.

I do not put down and have not put down sexual experimentation or swinging across the "zones" , group sex or the like, I am not a prude and I have in my time participated.

What you have absolutely no right to do is in any way advocate, or even appear to advocate, the curtailment of the right of other citizens to make their voice known.

Granted, but what gives them the right to shove their lifestyles down the throats of the straights and try to change and rewrite history books and dictate how you should acknowledge others in common decent behaviour?

The other side of democracy is - the straights have the right to object and complain about these intended changes, it affects them too. That is the nature of democracy - both sides are allowed to raise their objections - your argument is suggesting they the straights should shut up and accept it!

Which is what this thread is about - allowing both sides to commnent. There maybe some sniggering and jokes flying around, that is because no- one has actually started up a debate on the subject at hand.

Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is a complete irrelevance to the question of whether one possesses the rights of citizenship or not.

If I am correct no-one has suggested otherwise.

So YRH get off your indignant royal butt and stop ranting!

Tone it down and you would have a good debate on the go. Instead you try to frighten everyone off "like a bull thundering its way into a china shop!"

"My... what an eclectic collection of prejudice and stupidity we have here." in your opinion maybe! Stop insulting those around you.

Have a debate that lots of people could get involved with. Everyone has a view, everyone has the right to express that view, expressing ones view does not make them prejudiced! Insulting those that oppose the views is as you might say schoolyard behaviour.

As to where homosexuality comes from, how it's formed, or whether it's natural or not... I don't give a damn.

You do not have to give a damn, but some of us would like to know.

Asking questions does not make them prejudiced!

Always a pleasure YRH

I have done so much cutting and pasting on this lot, I hope it makes readable sense!   

They're topping themselves because of a lack of societal acceptance due to their homosexuality which is a very different thing altogether.

I disagree with this scoffy,

Gayness has a wide acceptance generally speaking and they live peacably in and around everywhere.

Social acceptance is not really an issue anymore, the gay communities are huge these days and it is quite acceptable to "out yourself". Rarely do people even bat an eye when someone "outs" themselves.

Rarely do people even bat an eye when someone "outs" themselves.

Maybe from a large societal standpoint and in certain parts of the world it seems easy, but more often than not in the familial relationships, it's almost impossible.

I know (well, knew) a young man who was gay, but because of the climate of our society here in Utah didn't feel he could ever be accepted. Consequently, he eventually committed suicide. Now, am I putting the blame of that death squarely on society's shoulders? No. But, the intolerance for homosexual lifestyles in this part of the country certainly helped in his spiral down to suicide.

I have a very good friend who is gay, a guy I used to work with at the Garden Center. I have no problems with the way he lives his life, and, along with Simon, believe that his should be given the rights of citizenship that he deserves for being a citizen.

Come on Cactoblasta--- a man has a G-spot in his anus? Let me tell you that the anus is, by itself, an incredibly sensitive organ with lots of muscles and nerves surrounding it, owing to its particular needs and you know what those are. I had a prostate massage once and all it did was want to make me pee. God certainly created the anus but not for recreational use.

Hope this blog gets some answers even though it it seems to wander into uncharted territory. Scoring macho points though!

Come on Cactoblasta--- a man has a G-spot in his anus? Let me tell you that the anus is, by itself, an incredibly sensitive organ with lots of muscles and nerves surrounding it, owing to its particular needs and you know what those are. I had a prostate massage once and all it did was want to make me pee. God certainly created the anus but not for recreational use.

Hope this blog gets some answers even though it it seems to wander into uncharted territory. Scoring macho points though!

(Citizen)WyoMooSeptember 16, 2006 14:03:38

Very well said WyoMoo. You said what I would have basically said.

I don't know that there's one "road to homosexuality". It might be a chemical thing, it might be related to a particularly troublesome (or good, I guess) with someone of the same sex, or it might be a choice for some people. I think being homosexual has it's repercussions, but I don't think it should be treated as an illness. It's not being treated that way any longer in the mental health field, and I don't think the rest of us should either.

And very well said here too. Even more eloquently than I would have put it.



I don't like the wording in the proposed bills, worded the way they are makes you wonder what these people are thinking. However to me it seems what they are trying to do is to protect people who are homosexual from people who don't like that they are. In short to stop the harrassment and physical abuse of said people. In this they are correct in proposing these bills.

I don't think it's fair to say that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, why not? Are they sitting the kids down and saying "here watch us have sex." Because from what I've read so far, most of the responses are geared towards their physical activities in the bedroom. We have to get beyond that point. And it's because we don't, there will always be a reason to have laws that protect people of this persuasion.

Gayness is much more than just sex, it is a choice and a lifestyle that is growing in numbers rapidly.

This is what everyone should remember. It is a lifestyle that we who are heterosexual will never fully understand, but it is their choice. They are as much a part of our country as we are. They should be allowed to live free as is the American way.

I don't like the idea of anything being shoved at me to accept, and I think they're only trying to get out of that box that they've been locked in for so many years; just in the same way heterosexuals in general is shoving what we deemed as acceptable being shoved at them.

These are my opinions.

I took my information from a local newspaper article.

If I thought the information was wrong or misleading ask yourself would I then put the actual bill numbers in the article?

I should have fact checked, my bad for not doing so.

For those of you that jumped to the conclusion I was just gay bashing or intentionally misleading the reader. . go fuck yourself.

For those of you that do not like my stance on how I FEEL ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL SEX, go fuck yourself again.

I se that the usual suspects take great delight in pointing out how wrong I am about this article. I expect that from some. I was deeply humiliated by some friends jumping on that bandwagon and as usual blame myself for making poor choices in who I call friend. This is a mistake I will not make again, I should know better, but I keep hoping that I am wrong about most people being the scum of the earth.

I will leave this article up for a few more hours then close it. Have fun trashing me some more , here and on that stalking creep david's article.

Before you close it Elie, let me say that you shouldn't feel bad in writing it. You've made a lot of people think and bring their opinions to the forefront.

It's a pretty heated topic and was bound to bring out discussions that would be disagreeable to some.