>Rombios doesn't, I imagine, think the President of Iran saying Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth i

Bakerstreet ... research some of the quotes LINKED to various Israeli leaders like David Ben Gurion ... Goldiemeyer etc etc.
You would be surprised ...

But I guess that doesnt matter does it?

Ok let me give you a personal example:
my father in law hates me ... actually "hate" isnt a strong enough term.
he has threatened to blow my head off on many an occassion ... not caring that i am happily married to his daughter and we
have provided him two grand children. there was that incident with a kitchen knife but thats another story

the problem here is that he has guns ... used to hunt deer in the past ... and served in the korean war ... so he knows
his way around weapons.

but he has NEVER attempted to hurt me ... even though he lives 20 minutes away from me

do you know why?

because I have a glock and a few pistols lying around the house ... and am also a pretty good shot
thats my nuclear detterrent

in addition one of my two brothers live in the neighborhood, one is in the local police department and the other is a
gun enthusiast
thats my SECOND strike capability

in addition (just for kicks) my son is comfortable with firearms and i can assure you he has more loyalty to me than ANY OTHER MAN on earth.

So for all my father-in-law' bluster ... he CANT DO A THING

he might drive up and waste me (hes pretty blind in one eye but still) ... but he wont be able to go home alive
thats MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION

Its held us for 8 years now and I have no doubt it wont last another 8

Whoa..
Very interesting analogy. What a way to live though. You that is, not Iran or Israel.

That doesn't ring true, though. Now if your father-in-law hired thugs to come to your house and shoot you a few times a year, that would make more sense, but I think you'd have a different perspective. Iran takes an active role sponsering terrorist attacks on Israel.

>That doesn't ring true, though. Now if your father-in-law hired thugs to come to your house and shoot you a few times
>a year, that would make more sense, but I think you'd have a different perspective.

I can assure he wouldnt DARE attempt it
because as things stand he would be the first one the rest of my neighborhood investigates ... so hes walking on eggshells
for all his bluster.

I am pretty sure that if he heard that someone was going to rob my house ... he would (as much as he HATES me) tip me off
so that he DOESNT get the blame

>Iran takes an active role sponsering terrorist attacks on Israel.

One mans "terrorist" is another mans "freedom fighter" dude.
Those words "terrorist" "freedom" "wmd" mean NOTHING ... ANYMORE
NOTHING AT ALL as they are defined and redefined by each side to suit the political winds ...

Drive out to some locale/bar/club and pick 10 random people ... see if they agree on the meaning of terrorism or wmd
WITH EXAMPLES

Freedom fighters fight. Terrorists murder civilians. No one that struts into a wedding with a bomb vest on is a freedom fighter, period. You've built yourself an argument that you can shift any time you want. If tomorrow Iran gave Hezbullah a nuclear weapon, you'd just call them freedom fighters and excuse it when it was set off.

But wait ... what about left-wing and right-wing death squads. Don't they do both, (fight and murder that is) ?
Are they Terrorists .. or.. Freedom fighters. Perhaps a new term should be used:
"Fighting Murderers". ( FM).

>Freedom fighters fight. Terrorists murder civilians.

BY THAT DEFINITION our soldiers are MURDERERS
youve JUST made my point ... whether killing civilians was by mistake or intentional ... THEY ARE DEAD ... and murder is
murder whether accidental or pre-meditated

there is a stronger arguement to willful invasion of a soveriegn state (under LIES and pretences) constitutes the worst
kind of pre-meditated murder ... because an enormous amount of life will be lost.

Think of all we have done to that country since 1991 ... and made it worse on the EVE of the 2003 invasion by bombing
CIVILIAN STRUCTURES like power plants, sewage threatment plants, government offices?

Hell we even dropped bombs on numerous restaurants were we thought regime elements were hiding and MISSED. but I can
assure someone innocent was WORKING in that place ... just doing his job to feed his family

BUT THATS NOT TERRORISM???
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

>No one that struts into a wedding with a bomb vest on is a freedom fighter, period

How about someone sitting COMFORTABLY in an f16/f17/fuc... lobbing 100 pound munitions/tomahawks/cruise missiles at civilian
structures BELOW

that person is TERRORIST!!!
what he does inspires the MOST amount of fear and loss of life.

I actually respect a suicide bomber MORE because at least hes putting himself on the line ... he has something to lose.

The guy sitting in an apache firing off rounds INDISCRIMINATELY ... has nothing to lose ... at the end he shifts gear and
flies away the ULTIMATE COWARDICE

My point wasnt to banter with you back and forth ... but to prove one thing:
"terrorist" "freedom fighter" "wmd" mean NOTHING

If you go back in history during the formation of the state of Israel ... you will realize that a lot of the acts committed
by its leaders were terrorists acts simple and short (go and see how Britain' leaders and even OUR leaders labeled such
acts then) ... but they have since been excused ... forgiven. Even Nelson Nandela was labeled a terrorists at one time ...
and a statesman now.

we have more stock piles of WMD than any NATION on earth ... yet somehow that never gets mentioned ... we only talk about
how some other nations posession of WMD "threatens" us ... but how about how OUR POSESSION THREATENS OTHERS?

the hypocrisy BOGGLES THE MIND

#29 by gunhead (Anonymous user) Sunday, April 30, 2006

IDIOT CHILD.. cute. Is this how people with varying opinions are treated here? Not too matu

apoligizies for the idiot child remark.

america giving land for the creation of Israel was just to much of a stretch for me to let go unanswered.

MM also a sensitive Jew.

and now I am closing this to anon users, want to comment register!! get a user name !

3) that whole nonsense about die for god ... 700000 virgins or whatever number it is ... is not the core issue here. its nonsense adminedajab is NOT saying anything new ... this has been the stance of Iran since the revolution. He did not say destory Israel ... he said remove the political entity that currently exists

Hey idiot it IS the core issue. That is the only thing that would hold "any" one else back from turning Israel into a glass parking lot. They aren't going to give a rat's butt about Israel's second strike capability!

Think of all we have done to that country since 1991 ... and made it worse on the EVE of the 2003 invasion by bombing CIVILIAN STRUCTURES like power plants, sewage threatment plants, government offices?

Which we have since fixed the damage and put them "back" into operation! Why don't you work for the DNC?

we have more stock piles of WMD than any NATION on earth ... yet somehow that never gets mentioned ... we only talk about how some other nations posession of WMD "threatens" us ... but how about how OUR POSESSION THREATENS OTHERS?

You don't hear about ours because "unlike" others around the world, "WE" won't use them on civilian targets. Actually unless attacked in kind, we in all likelyhood wouldn't use them at all.

the hypocrisy BOGGLES THE MIND

Just like your stupidity boggles ours!

BY THAT DEFINITION our soldiers are MURDERERS youve JUST made my point ... whether killing civilians was by mistake or intentional ... THEY ARE DEAD ... and murder ismurder whether accidental or pre-meditated

So, you make no distinction between murder and manslaughter?

Personally, I think the motive behind the action is as definitive as the action itself.

Reply By: EventHorizonPosted: Monday, May 01, 2006BY THAT DEFINITION our soldiers are MURDERERSyouve JUST made my point ... whether killing civilians was by mistake or intentional ... THEY ARE DEAD ... and murder ismurder whether accidental or pre-meditatedSo, you make no distinction between murder and manslaughter?Personally, I think the motive behind the action is as definitive as the action itself.

while I agree in principal that murder is the taking of life, to call a military fighting for freedom killing terrorist murderers is just nit picking and damn disrespectful.

I fought in war and I am not a murderer!

"youve JUST made my point ... whether killing civilians was by mistake or intentional ... THEY ARE DEAD ... and murder is murder whether accidental or pre-meditated"

lol... that's just deranged. Your father-in-law shoots you, and when you shoot back the bullet goes through him, out the window and hits the mailman. You were protecting yourself, it was an accident, but according to you... it's murder.

It's convenient for you to make up your own definitions, that way you can turn terrorism into some patriotic self-defense. If you can do that, you can redefine any word you like, like murder, as you did above. Thank goodness most people see that behavior as deranged as it is, and defer to REAL definitions.

Iran is well on its way to making the nuclear bomb. No amount of wild rhetoric from the USA, UK and France is going to change the situation. Sanctions will not be accepted by the International community. The USA can try to pull an Iraq on Iran. Iran will retaliate by escalating the violence in Iraq and there is every apprehension that a war will break out in the Middle East. With the USA bogged down and bruised in Iraq it will be prudent on the part of Bush and the Bushmen to just remain quiet and let the Russians and Chinese do the talking.

With the USA bogged down and bruised in Iraq it will be prudent on the part of Bush and the Bushmen to just remain quiet and let the Russians and Chinese do the talking.

Riiiiiiight.  Like the Germans and French did in Iraq.  Yea, some people just want to glow.