Can a White person say anything about any Minority?

Playing the Race card.

Published on October 24, 2005 By Moderateman In US Domestic

Just a observation, Lets imagine a million man march with nothing but white people.
Lets form a congressional white caucus, How about a national association for the advancement of white people?
How about a miss white America contest?

How about scholarships for white minorities? How about white people getting the inside track for jobs only because they are white?

How about Bill O'reilly pointing out that he thinks Sean Penn, Tim Robbins and Danny Glover should be ashamed of themselves and being called a racist by Glover.

Can any white person say anything to a minority and not be called a racist? Can I write this article and not be thought of as a racist?

How about a white coach being fired from his job for saying blacks are better athletes because of there blackness, and a black coach saying the same thing and not being fired?

There seems to be too damn much INEQUALITY these days, with the deck heavily stacked in favor of minorities.
How about Louis Farrakhan putting for the premise that whites tried to kill blacks by sabotaging the levees in New Orleans? now turn that around and have a white leader say the same thing, that blacks tried to kill whites by sabotage.

How about a major white leader calling Detroit or Cleveland "nigger town" like Jesse Jackson called New York City "Jew York City and Hymie town"

These are just some things I would like answers to.

Comments (Page 2)

cityguy

on Oct 25, 2005

but if you are talking crime statistic, where do you mention that there are also doctors and lawyers too. get my drift? If you start writing here and have to use disclaimers in every sentence you will go nuts, some things are implied.

I understand you. I am not talking about a disclaimer statement for everything you say however. If you only acknowledge one aspect of Black people openly and often, it seems biased. Would it not sound like I was trying to make African-Americans sound perfect if I only posted articles outlining heroes and accomplishments; if I never acknowledged the crime and drugs that plague our community. By doing the opposite, you sound like a racist. Without inflammatory slurs, you point the same things that some white supremisists constantly point out. It's the kind of speech that continues to divide this country.

Now if you had wrote a nice article on Lloyd Trotter or Richard Parsons, their contributions and the fact they are African-American, no one would ever be able to accuse of being biased or a racist.

I am not accusing you. I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt of being an equal opportunity jerk until he/she proves beyond doubt that they definitely have racial issues.

Dr Guy

on Oct 25, 2005

Reply #18 By: Citizen cityguy - 10/25/2005 5:37:36 PM

Can you delete and repost response #13? It is screwing up Joe User.

Thanks (if you cant delete, edit it so it is just a dot).

Moderateman

on Oct 25, 2005

16 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005

I also agree, but again when you are talking serial killers, that is the topic, not other white males are good people or not all white males are serial killers.

I know. I think he was trying to make a point, which I did get, I just took it off on a tangent because until he brought that up, I had never thought about it.

I got the point doc and cityguy, my point is, it just is not approite to bring up how wonderfull the vast majority is, when you are speaking of crime.

Moderateman

on Oct 25, 2005

17 by cityguy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005

am not accusing you. I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt of being an equal opportunity jerk until he/she proves beyond doubt that they definitely have racial issues.

well thank you, kinda, one of the points i made in the original artice was "Can I write this article and not be thought of as a racist?" I know what's in my heart and really have stopped caring what others think they know about me.

Moderateman

on Oct 25, 2005

18 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005

Reply #18 By: Citizen cityguy - 10/25/2005 5:37:36 PM

Can you delete and repost response #13? It is screwing up Joe User.

Thanks (if you cant delete, edit it so it is just a dot).

I hope I deleted the right one doc, let me know will ya?

Moderateman

on Oct 25, 2005

22 by little_whip
Tuesday, October 25, 2005

I understand your point, cityguy, but other than heavily peppering any statement noticing the race of your subject with constant disclaimers, I don't see any way around it.

For example: "Six hundred blacks rioted in Toledo last week, while the other 30,000 that live within city limits managed not to get involved, engaging in work, church, recreation, or other legal activities instead."

Or...

FBI statistics state that African-Americans, which comprise a mere 12% of our country's population, are responsible for over 52% of all violent crime. Aproximately one in three black males between the ages of 16 and 35 are currently involved with the penal system in some way, either on parole, probation, or pre-trial release, but the other 2 out of three are doctors, lawyers, factory workers, and generally law abiding citizens.

There was a time when disclaimers were used to clarify an opinion, not to soften hard facts that certain people find offensive.

Can you imagine applying this standard to anything other than race? For instance, saying..."Damn, St Louis is hot in the summer, but not every single day, and a matter of fact, some days are actually quite pleasant, and what I might consider hot may not be hot to you so please don't think I'm putting that city down but I have noticed it's pretty hot in the summer."

Sheesh.

Why must we tip-toe around like that when it comes to matters of race? Because we have been intimidated by so many false claims of racism that many people refuse to discuss these matters at all anymore, and that, my friend, is not a good thing.

Not a good thing at all.

Silence breeds resentment, and resentment breeds hate. When we stop communicating openly with each other, no good can come of it.

I can always count on you whip to take my points and put them into words that have a flow and make perfect sense. take my last insightufll whip you earned this one.

your number one fan, MM

cityguy

on Oct 26, 2005

Sheesh.

Why must we tip-toe around like that when it comes to matters of race? Because we have been intimidated by so many false claims of racism that many people refuse to discuss these matters at all anymore, and that, my friend, is not a good thing.

I hear your point as well. Thanks for seeing mine.

I know you have stats. I have them as well (about African-Americans). No one here is trying to sidestep them. It's why I do what I do for a living. But to say things like 'Blacks riot in Toledo' and to only say such things, makes one sound racist. Your statements infer, whether intentionally or not, that they are true of all Black people. That is racist. 'Blacks kill whites (and other Blacks)' doesn't sound like you even know of Blacks who don't do such things.

Let's not be hypocritical either. How sick would all of you get if continually posted articles about racism in this coutry and it's horrible violence towards minorities, in particular to African-Americans? If the only articles I wrote dealt with police beatings and harrasment of minorities and other things unfair, I'm pretty sure you would get sick of hearing about, even though it's true.

What's the point anyway? Why are you so quick to point out the race of someone in trouble? Yes, I do want to talk about it and how we can begin to remedy it as an American people, but what's your angle? Is it because of you love for Black people? Or is it something else?

And I will confess a sin at this point. Such facts and statistics about African-Americans have been dealt with as an inside affair. We generally want to deal with such facts as an affair that only we can address. Perhaps it's because such facts are used by some to say that we are less than human. But definitely because of a lack of trust of white people. That's wrong. This is an American issue that needs to be dealt with by American people.

Dr Guy

on Oct 26, 2005

hope I deleted the right one doc, let me know will ya?

Yep! I would hate to lose this one to an open tag!

Moderateman

on Oct 26, 2005

This is an American issue that needs to be dealt with by American people.

boy do I agree with this city guy, and wish more of the people in America would view it this way, it's really not about black and white and grey anymore it's about Americans.

thank you for pointing this out so succinctly.

Moderateman

on Oct 26, 2005

25 by Dr. Guy
Wednesday, October 26, 2005

Yep! I would hate to lose this one to an open tag!

ok computer idiot here, what is an "open tag"?

DJBandit

on Oct 26, 2005

I know you have stats. I have them as well (about African-Americans). No one here is trying to sidestep them. It's why I do what I do for a living. But to say things like 'Blacks riot in Toledo' and to only say such things, makes one sound racist. Your statements infer, whether intentionally or not, that they are true of all Black people. That is racist. 'Blacks kill whites (and other Blacks)' doesn't sound like you even know of Blacks who don't do such things.

Believing that someone could sound racist is only because someone wants to believe it's a racist statement. Why add the word blacks to Blacks riot in Toledo? Simple, first of all people want detail. Why do they want details? Because we live in a society where one race thinks that the other is lesser and that applies to black people. As you can see I had to point that out cause having been living in Carol City Miami for 5 years tought me that black people ( 90% of the population of Carol City) didn't think they were saying nothing bad about other cultures but everyone spoke bad about them and so it was only fair for them to defend themselves. The details help create statistics that are used to determine who is worse at what.

Here's one for you, I lived in Carol City, as I said before. Carol City is known as the 3rd most dangerous place to be in Miami. Overtown is 1st andLiberty City is second, that's where my sister-in-law lives. Heres the most interesting fact, all 3 areas are about 90% populated by black people. Sure there are black people living in other parts of Miami, specially Homestead, but the population is mixed with Cubans, Mexicans, Puertoricans, South Americans and Americans or white people. So explain to me how I am not suppose to see it as a bad thing for black people in Miami when you can't even go to any of those 3 places without getting looked at hard, having a cop watch your every move, fear that you may not make it across a few streets, etc and if you watch the news, like I did, most criminals or murder, theft or vandalism were blacks. Would you believe the news would avoid showing anything other than black people on purpose?

I am not racist, I have some good friends who are black, hispanic, european and american. I would love to get a piece of international love (have sex with every womam from every nationality). Here's the most interesting thing I have seen, black people telling me what areas in black neighborhoods not to go to. Even they themselves admit it. JMO.

foreverserenity

on Oct 26, 2005

You have a valid point Elie. It seems quite unfair that a white person cannot say something about a black person without it coming out as racist. Sometimes though it's not what is said, it's how it is said and what's inferred. It's a very touchy issue and will continue to be touchy because there are people out there who do it deliberately and don't care what pain they cause when they say some of the things they do.

We don't live in the 1930's are 1960's anymore. Yet we still have this penchant for hatred of others who are different. And it does go both ways too, not just white on black, but black on white, or latino on white, or even sometimes latino on black.

From my viewpoint the one race that seems to be hated and feared more by everyone is black. That's not making an unfair statement, it's a reality. And it's something that not every black person deserves. Is it such a big deal that I'm black? Am I supposed to walk around in fear of others and what they say or think about people who are black? Am I supposed to fear what they think about me because of my race? Truthfully I should worry, but I don't. I should worry because there are folks out in this world who will do anything to prove a point.

However that doesn't make me or others who are of my race and think and feel the way I do, feel superior or act superior because we are this way. We just want to live and enjoy our lives and families like everyone else.

Sometimes I believe it is fear and distrust and plain old hate that causes this type of reaction, and it won't be forgotten because holding on to it give the ones who hate power.

Unfortunately the leaders who are supposed to be a good example are the ones that foster the kind of fears they do because of the power it gives them. Sometimes it's the only way they can get the attention that they need. And that's a sad state of affairs!

Dr Guy

on Oct 26, 2005

ok computer idiot here, what is an "open tag"?

When you do a bold or quote or other formatting in HTML, you have to open it, and then close it (you have seen the quote /quote ones). An Open tag means that the closing tag was either misspelled or absent.

cityguy

on Oct 26, 2005

I do, however, feel uniquely qualified to speak on certain aspects of racial tensions in this country, having lived in predominantly black neighborhoods for most of my adult life, and also having been privy to inner workings of that most feared of Supremacist groups, the KKK.

And I do respect you for choices you have made in your life regarding that.

Moderateman

on Oct 26, 2005

Reply By: foreverserenityPosted: Wednesday, October 26, 2005You have a valid point Elie.

everytime I write an article like this donna I shudder that it might hurt you, Personally I think of you as human, not white or black, just a sweet woman doing her best to live in a world full of rascist hatred.

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