America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~
A Jews Point of View.
Published on October 21, 2005 By Moderateman In Religion
It's about time for the new annual game here in America, finish off destroying Christianity, this time they will continue the assault on Christmas, this has been building for years now and will continue to build till all mention of Christ is eliminated.

There are places where children are being suspended from school for having the nerve to say grace over a a meal.

Bibles are being removed from school libraries.

Florida is putting a stop to bible studies by using a little known zoning law.

An 11 year old in Alabama was ORDERED to remove the cross she was wearing from plain view and told to hide it under her neckline or be suspended.

Americans for the separation of church and state is suing to have "in God we trust" removed from our money, and trying to stop congress from opening sessions with a prayer. They are also trying to remove Christmas as a national holiday, completely remove all chaplin's from the military..remove all religious symbols from our national cemeteries.

On face the nation, Bob Schieffer made the following statement :"we have noticed a link between religion and crime."

The Washington post describes Christians as "largely poor and easily led .

Sharon Cohen has written a article {she is an A.P. reporter} saying Christians are prone to rioting and are terrorist. She also compares christian leaders with the Ayatollahs of Iran, {this woman is nuts!}

The IRS is targeting churches aiming to take away there tax exempt status. {this is against the first amendment}

I believe that we must fight this crap going on, the same way we fight racism and anti-semitism!!

http://accounting.smartpros.com/x45700.xml . This is the IRS link.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=X&oi=scholart&q=articles+by+Sharon+Cohen,+a.p.+reporter . This is a link to ms Cohen's articles.

http://www.aclj.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=239. This is the story about the 11 year old in Alabama.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/ftn/main3460.shtml. This is a link to Bob Schieffer.


http://www.au.org/. this link takes you to separation of church and state homepage. read it and weep.


When will we the heart and soul of America stop letting these animals use the courts to get there way?

How much further will we allow the removal of Christianity from America, once it's gone can the Jewish faith be far behind?



Wow no sleep let me write all night to keep my mind occupied.

MM not a christian, but I do love GOD.
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on Oct 22, 2005
While I probably don't share his religious views, these two posts are the first coherent ones in this thread.

Yes, that was my problem with them too.
on Oct 22, 2005
Interesting thread and amazingly lacking in flaming. Nice.

While I am basically Judeo-Christian in my beliefs, I do not subscribe to organized relgion as I feel that all of them are somewhat off the mark.

The people pushing for elimination of all vestiges of relgious expression in society are as guilty of trying to force their beliefs on everyone as any of the historical examples of the abuses of religion.

Any society should be representative of the people in it, and the majority do hold some religious/spiritual and thus that is and should be reflected in it's culture.

I get a bit tired of the "separation of church and state" as this phrase appears nowhere in our constitution. The constitution forbids the government from establishing an official religion and from banning any religion. Nowhere does it ban public displays of religious thought.

While no people should be excluded from representation in a society, the society should primarily reflect the majority, not be dictated to by the minority which is what we have been seeing happen in recent decades.
on Oct 22, 2005
48 by Chakgogka
Saturday, October 22, 2005


While I probably don't share his religious views, these two posts are the first coherent ones in this thread.

Yes, that was my problem with them too.


ya lost me chak, I was replying to comments made by sunwukong.
on Oct 22, 2005
49 by MasonM
Saturday, October 22, 2005


Interesting thread and amazingly lacking in flaming. Nice.


yes MM is trying to get along more now that my main nemisis has been exiled. forever.

get a bit tired of the "separation of church and state" as this phrase appears nowhere in our constitution. The constitution forbids the government from establishing an official religion and from banning any religion. Nowhere does it ban public displays of religious thought.

While no people should be excluded from representation in a society, the society should primarily reflect the majority, not be dictated to by the minority which is what we have been seeing happen in recent decades.


one of my biggest beefs with scotus, is suddenly they Z"see" all kinds of things in the constitution that is just not there, Like the "right" to have abortions.
on Oct 22, 2005
Although you responded here you added nothing but questions, then demeaned other peoples replies

I thought the thread was going along well and was very interesting except the points that I responded to were broad, false statements that should be disputed -- did everyone know they were false already?

The tone of the replies were entirely my fault of course. My apologies to anyone who thought the disputed points were seriously posed and should've had a more measured response.

Btw, rhetoric is a an accepted form of debate.

first every race and religion has its day at the top of the heap, yes the arabic culture gave us math and many other sciences to follow, had little to do with Islam though because Islam is a young religion and the strides made by the middle east were made before Islam excisted.

Are you saying that the scientific advancements under Christianity's heyday (Renaissance or now?) have nothing to do with the philosophical underpinnings it imposes?

Keep in mind that a great deal of the modernization of logic from Aristotle's original framework was accomplished by Islamic scholars including the formalization of induction and the basis for the scientific method accepted and codified by Bacon. There are a heck of a lot of advances that couldn't have been made without those contributions.
on Oct 22, 2005
think icon is painting with a very broad brush doc, I personally do not think my religion is the only way to GOD.

How about you doc>?


I Beleive that there are a bunch of very good Hindus, Buddhists, and even some atheists in heaven. The atheists are not really happy, but the Hindus are extatic, and the Buddhists are still contemplating their navels!
on Oct 22, 2005
The only religion currently very active in the west and thinking of itself as the only true religion is atheism.


That gets you a cookie!
on Oct 22, 2005
If you argue that they are all equally true - which in our kinder, gentler way we are often inclined to do nowadays - then why follow any particular religion? It makes little sense to even bother to be, say, a christian, when Hinduism or Islam can get you to the same place.


There are certain core principals that my religion teaches me. Some are the ones that make me a Catholic. Others are universal. I beleive in them all. HOwever, those who believe in universal principals, just because they do not acknowledge the pope as the leadre, or Christ as the savior, are as devout as I. YOu ask a question and confuse the answer. My religion is right for me because I believe the core tenets. It is not right for Moderateman as he does not beleive all of them, but he does beleive the non Catholic ones. So he is as likely to get to heaven as I (probably more so in his case). I dont believe a just god would condemn billions of people to damnation because they did not have the opportunity to hear Jesus' words.

Extending that a little farther, I dont think he would condemn billions of people because they dont accept Jesus as they already have their own faith with their own core beliefs, the key ones being cross polinated.

We can both drive to cleveland, but we dont have to do it with the same car. But we will both get there in the end.
on Oct 22, 2005
Reply By: sunwukongPosted: Saturday, October 22, 2005


Are you saying that the scientific advancements under Christianity's heyday (Renaissance or now?) have nothing to do with the philosophical underpinnings it imposes?Keep in mind that a great deal of the modernization of logic from Aristotle's original framework was accomplished by Islamic scholars including the formalization of induction and the basis for the scientific method accepted and codified by Bacon. There are a heck of a lot of advances that couldn't have been made without those contributions.


I am afaid that I just cannot tie in scientific progress with a religious base. Science is science, even today most scientist DO NOT BELIEVE in God.

To advance that scientific progress is linked or due to religion is a false premiss.
on Oct 22, 2005
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Saturday, October 22, 2005think icon is painting with a very broad brush doc, I personally do not think my religion is the only way to GOD.How about you doc>?I Beleive that there are a bunch of very good Hindus, Buddhists, and even some atheists in heaven. The atheists are not really happy, but the Hindus are extatic, and the Buddhists are still contemplating their navels!


My personal belief is that good people of all stripes get into heaven, the evil ones do not. Simple huh?
on Oct 22, 2005
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Saturday, October 22, 2005


Extending that a little farther, I dont think he would condemn billions of people because they dont accept Jesus as they already have their own faith with their own core beliefs, the key ones being cross polinated.We can both drive to cleveland, but we dont have to do it with the same car. But we will both get there in the end.


not just billions but billions of GOOD people.
on Oct 22, 2005
not just billions but billions of GOOD people.


Before there was McDonald's, there is a God! If I make it to the end, I will look forward to seeing Iconoclast there as well. I will try to be a good christian and not do a "See, Told you so!".
on Oct 22, 2005
#59 by Dr. Guy
Saturday, October 22, 2005


not just billions but billions of GOOD people.


Before there was McDonald's, there is a God! If I make it to the end, I will look forward to seeing Iconoclast there as well. I will try to be a good christian and not do a "See, Told you so!".


Is he gonna be suprised, jews, christians, buddist, hindu, islam, all side by side laughing at the folly of those still alive.
on Oct 22, 2005
Is he gonna be suprised, jews, christians, buddist, hindu, islam, all side by side laughing at the folly of those still alive.


YOu seen that joke too? The bran muffin man? "I could have been here 10 years ago!"
LOL
on Oct 22, 2005
#61 by Dr. Guy
Saturday, October 22, 2005


Is he gonna be suprised, jews, christians, buddist, hindu, islam, all side by side laughing at the folly of those still alive.


YOu seen that joke too? The bran muffin man? "I could have been here 10 years ago!"
LOL


have NOT seen the joke in question, please remit so I can laugh.
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