Changing My Mind About Abortion "rights"

Slowly Moving further Right.

Published on October 9, 2005 By Moderateman In US Domestic

After much debate {internal} and external, I am slowly changing my mind about abortion "rights".

I feel that abortion is an abused procedure, in too many cases a child is destroyed like an animal because it's inconvenient to give birth at this time.

I have never liked abortion, but have supported a woman's right to choose, I no longer support that position.

I believe except for extreme cases, IE: mothers life at risk, rape, incest, abortion should be banned on the federal level and left up to individual states.

The greatness of America is your right to choose where you live, exercise that right.

It seems that there are so many other choices a woman can make besides abortion, but with clinics everywhere performing abortion at breakneck speed it has become just to darn easy to abort {murder in my eyes}.

Partial birth abortion is an abomination, if you waited a few minutes more and that child took one breath, and you killed it then ,you would be charged with murder.

I no longer see the difference between murder and abortion.

If you do not like your states abortion law, move to a state that allows abortion or keep your legs closed, use preventive measures.

In the future any candidate for public office that supports abortion I will not vote for, {yes including ARNOLD}.

Comments (Page 4)

bakerstreet

on Oct 10, 2005

There's been a couple in the last few months that have approved gay marriage. Can't remember which ones, and I'm too lazy to google.

Toblerone

on Oct 10, 2005

Three and a half MILLION abortions are performed in America every year, Toblerone. That's an awful lot of "mistakes" being made, don't you think?

It is nothing compared the the 295,734,134 lving breathing citizens in the US right now with self awareness.

"fight straw men" liberal speak for "how dare you disagree with me"

No it's Toblerone speak for you are arguing against a point I didn't make in the first place.

Pregnancy is a temporary condition, lasting only nine months. Death is forever.

You can't experience death if you've never even been aware of living. Pregnancy may only last nine months but that child is there for its lifetime.

wow you mean that someone should take RESPONSIBILITY for there mistakes? wow what a concept.

So you think having to make a decision to end a pregnancy doesn't count as responsibility. You think raising a child you can't afford or giving it up is more responsible?

I say, "If you arent prepared to deal with the possible consequences of your sexual behavior, don't have sex."

It's not the end of the world, you know? There are other ways to get your rocks off that don't involve penetration, and you can always, always masturbate.

Yes and calling for abstinence works so well doesn't it.

There is more to sex than orgasms last time I checked. I think about 2 billion years of sexual reproduction and evolution have seen to it that the craving for penetration has outweighed our desire to avoid unwanted prenancies. If that weren't true we'd be screwed because our species has a high rate of spontaneous natural abortion aside from induced ones (at least 25% of pregnancies end in the first 12 weeks as my sister recently found out).

Moderateman

on Oct 10, 2005

Reply By: drmilerPosted: Monday, October 10, 2005But what about religions that allow gay marriage? Should they be forbidden to practice their ceremonies or forced not to call the result a marriage?Please inform me on what religion allows that?

do not know the religion doc, but happens alla time.

Moderateman

on Oct 10, 2005

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Monday, October 10, 2005There's been a couple in the last few months that have approved gay marriage. Can't remember which ones, and I'm too lazy to google.

I tried google but could nofind anything, maybe I am using wrong keys words. let me know if you find something baker.

Moderateman

on Oct 10, 2005

Reply By: TobleronePosted: Monday, October 10, 2005Three and a half MILLION abortions are performed in America every year, Toblerone. That's an awful lot of "mistakes" being made, don't you think?It is nothing compared the the 295,734,134 living breathing citizens in the US right now with self awareness.

I do not understand the point you are trying to make with this statement.

fight straw men" liberal speak for "how dare you disagree with me"No it's Toblerone speak for you are arguing against a point I didn't make in the first place.

I stand corrected.

Pregnancy is a temporary condition, lasting only nine months. Death is forever. You can't experience death if you've never even been aware of living. Pregnancy may only last nine months but that child is there for its lifetime.

wtf? you and I have no clue if the spirit of child is experiencing death. off base about that .

wow you mean that someone should take RESPONSIBILITY for there mistakes? wow what a concept.So you think having to make a decision to end a pregnancy doesn't count as responsibility. You think raising a child you can't afford or giving it up is more responsible?

ok that is a responsible decision, but not one I think is right or support.

say, "If you are prepared to deal with the possible consequences of your sexual behavior, don't have sex."It's not the end of the world, you know? There are other ways to get your rocks off that don't involve penetration, and you can always, always masturbate.Yes and calling for abstinence works so well doesn't it.There is more to sex than orgasms last time I checked. I think about 2 billion years of sexual reproduction and evolution have seen to it that the craving for penetration has outweighed our desire to avoid unwanted pregnancies. If that weren't true we'd be screwed because our species has a high rate of spontaneous natural abortion aside from induced ones (at least 25% of pregnancies end in the first 12 weeks as my sister recently found out).

ummm contraception? Even though its only 99.99% safe it's better than none at all.

Where did you get that 25% figure from ? one in every four pregnancies end with spontaneous miscarriage? hmmmmmm

ParaTed2k

on Oct 10, 2005

Isn't it ironic that while telling us that we should respect all life, they have their own list of those who its not only ok to kill... not for hate or bigotry, simply for convenience.

Dr Guy

on Oct 10, 2005

Three and a half MILLION abortions are performed in America every year, Toblerone. That's an awful lot of "mistakes" being made, don't you think?

It is nothing compared the the 295,734,134 lving breathing citizens in the US right now with self awareness.

Were they all born last year? Your argument is very lame and non sequitar.

Moderateman

on Oct 10, 2005

52 by ParaTed2k
Monday, October 10, 2005

Isn't it ironic that while telling us that we should respect all life, they have their own list of those who its not only ok to kill... not for hate or bigotry, simply for convenience.

I get that, it's inconsistencies like that, that are driving anyone sane away from the left.

Moderateman

on Oct 10, 2005

53 by Dr. Guy
Monday, October 10, 2005

Three and a half MILLION abortions are performed in America every year, Toblerone. That's an awful lot of "mistakes" being made, don't you think?

It is nothing compared the the 295,734,134 living breathing citizens in the US right now with self awareness.

Were the all born last year? Your argument is very lame and non sequitur.

while I did not label it lame , I did question what his point was.

Moderateman

on Oct 10, 2005

still waiting for tombelone to answer my question....

la la la la la la

cloudlifterlives

on Oct 10, 2005

So many intresting things here, I am new and am waiting to see how all this works.

Moderateman

on Oct 10, 2005

Reply By: cloudlifterlivesPosted: Monday, October 10, 2005So many intresting things here, I am new and am waiting to see how all this works.

welcome to the crazy house, have fun.

Texas Wahine

on Oct 10, 2005

I got pregnant my senior year of high school. I could have had an abortion. My oldest child changed my life. In some ways he made it much, much more difficult, but in all ways he made it wonderful and meaningful.

I won't say that I would NEVER have an abortion because I just don't know what life will throw at me, or who I will be. But I don't suspect it's something that I would ever do.

I do think abortion should remain legal and focus should be directed toward preventing unwanted pregnancy so that abortion becomes a non-issue.

Birth control (as LW has stated) is incredibly effective now, and abstinence is always an option. Ready availability of the morning after pill is also helpful. It's important to educate people about how to keep themselves safe and avoid unwanted pregnancies.

Our society is much more open and accepting of unwed mothers, and I think this helps as well. An unplanned pregnancy does not mean the end of a woman's goals, career, education, or anything else.

I'd much rather work toward making abortion unnecessary than try to make it illegal. Making it illegal will not stop abortion...it will just make it more deadly.

Personally, I think abortion is flat out wrong and cruel past about the 26th week, which is when the fetus begins to feel pain (note the source, please). I'd prefer that abortion be kept to the first trimester (with exceptions in cases where the mother's life is in danger).

I don't believe in a soul. The embryo stage lasts 8 weeks, or a full two-thirds of the first trimester. The fetus appears as little more than cells or tissue throughout the length of the first trimester. Without the neurological development to be self aware, a first trimester fetus is not harmed in any real sense by abortion. You can see some graphics and info about embryo/fetus development here.

I'd rather see an early pregnancy fetus aborted than a child abused.

Moderateman

on Oct 10, 2005

Reply By: Texas Wahine Posted: Monday, October 10, 2005

I do not think it should be a federal issue tex, let the states decide.

I totally agree with this point, "make the focus on PREVENTING pregnancy" instead of abortion. I am all for educating our children about condoms birth control pills etc.

My beef is with the attitude about casual abortion, it's just to damned easy to get one.

Add the "oh it's inconvenient to have a child right now" and I just get sad, sad for the parent that's murdering her child and sad no one seems to be willing to accept responsibility for their actions.

Texas Wahine

on Oct 10, 2005

I do not think it should be a federal issue tex, let the states decide.

I'm conflicted on that aspect of the debate.

I totally agree with this point, "make the focus on PREVENTING pregnancy" instead of abortion. I am all for educating our children about condoms birth control pills etc.

I think that's what's most frustrating to a lot of people who are pro-choice. I doubt very few people *like* abortion. I think we'd all like to see it as a rare thing. However, we can't have people fighting against both abortion and birth control availability and education.

While I'd like to see my boys refrain from becoming sexually active before they are married or mature and in a stable relationship, I realize that if I don't teach them how to protect themselves from disease (and pregnancy), I am taking a very big risk with them.

My beef is with the attitude about casual abortion, it's just to damned easy to get one.

I've never had one, so I don't know how easy or difficult it is to get one. I would hope that no woman would seek one without first carefully weighing her options and doing some soul searching, regardless of how readily available the procedure might be.

Add the "oh it's inconvenient to have a child right now" and I just get sad, sad for the parent that's murdering her child and sad no one seems to be willing to accept responsibility for their actions.

Having a child is NEVER convenient...for anyone. I don't consider first trimester abortion murder, but I do agree that abortion can be a very selfish choice.

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