This is Exactly What's Wrong With America!!

Activist Judges!! California's Shame!!

Published on September 15, 2005 By Moderateman In US Domestic

.. District Judge Lawrence Karlton rules in favor of atheist Michael Newdow.

This is a perfect example of what Plagues the United States, One man on a personal mission to destroy God and one Judge with no sense ruling in favor of this complete waste of human flesh.

There is something inherently wrong when a small percentage of people What I like to label the Godless ones can ram there views down the throat of the vast majority of Americans that DO believe in GOD>!!!

Just another reason to hate living in such a LIBERAL state filled with liberal activist judges legislating law from the bench!!!

How can ONE judge assume that the MAJORITY of people would even begin to agree with this heinous decision is beyond me.

The courts have grown much to powerful and are not shy about exercising that power either.

This is a prime example of Democracy gone wrong and something that needs to be addressed and corrected, we need to take back the power of LAWMAKING from the courts and put it where it belongs in the hands and votes of the PEOPLE!!!

Comments (Page 5)

Moderateman

on Sep 15, 2005

61 by shadesofgrey
Thursday, September 15, 2005

Not offended. Just not in agreement.

AND AS you already found out I do encourage disagreement , unlike some here I am open to changing my mind.

ParaTed2k

on Sep 15, 2005

Now you've got me confused. The case that Newdow has filed challenges "the constitutionality of 4 U.S.C. § 4, which codifies the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance, and the practices of four California public school districts requiring students to recite the Pledge." (that is a quote from the ruling filed by Judge Karlton).

So he's doing exactly what you want him to do--trying to get the codified (ie law version) of the Pledge to be deemed unconstitutional.

No, if they merely struck down the law, then it would be left to the local school boards. They didn't say the law was unconstitutional, they said reciting the pledge itself was unconstitutional. So, instead of using their authority to rule on a federal law, they left the law in place, but told local school boards (which they have no Constitutional authority over) that they cannot recite the pledge of allegience. They didn't even rule to remove the offending words out of the pledge. They simply usurped authority they do not have, instead using authority they do have.

shadesofgrey

on Sep 15, 2005

Actually, the ruling was that the motion to dismiss was denied (in the case of the classroom and granted in other cases).

Also, for the record, if they strike down the law--they eliminate the pledge. The code that they are challenging is the pledge of allegiance.

Locamama

on Sep 15, 2005

I think this is something that is right with America. Many of the first settlers who came to our country came here for the express reason of freedom of religion. They wanted the right to believe and practice their religion without government interferrance.

The government should not be in the business of religion. It should be kept separate. I think the judge ruled according to the law and constitution not based on emotions or personal religous beliefs.

What kills me is that the conservatives who want to hammer the judges who don't agree with them hold up the judge in Alabama who refused to remove the ten commandments from his court room as a hero. He was the activist judge - just a conservative one. That's okay.

Moderateman

on Sep 15, 2005

What kills me is that the conservatives who want to hammer the judges who don't agree with them hold up the judge in Alabama who refused to remove the ten commandments from his court room as a hero. He was the activist judge - just a conservative one. That's okay.

wrong... he was wrong. and should not have fought it the way he did, not upholding the law while a judge is wrong no matter what side of the aisle they sit on!

COL Gene

on Sep 15, 2005

A bumper sticker I saw, " For those who say there is no GOD,they better be right"

Moderateman

on Sep 15, 2005

67 by COL Gene
Thursday, September 15, 2005

A bumper sticker I saw, " For those who say there is no GOD,they better be right"

I had this picture in my mind when arafat died of him at the pearly gates, when suddenly a voice boomed out {with a jewish accent of course} soooooooo yasser you hate jews do you? well then you go to hell!

chiprj

on Sep 15, 2005

disagreement is good, but you can believe it or not the godless nazis will be listening for any infractions of the ruling.

What infractions of what rule? If they officially take out the two words, there is nothing, I say again, NOTHING that can be done, legally, to someone that recites the pledge individually, or as a member of a class, with the two words in it. NOTHING. Did you get that? NOTHING. It's called freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Try and stop someone from adding the words back in on their own, personal desires and you have a lawsuit. There will be no law that says it is illegal to personally decide to leave the words in and say them that way, in any context or environment.

No one will be sitting with headphones on that link to hidden mikes in student desks to make sure no one utters the stricken words. People may make sure that no teacher or student forces someone to use the two words, but they won't stop individual students from reciting it any way they choose.

The difference between adding in omitted words and leaving out included words is as I stated above.

The first is freedom of speech and religious practice, which is allowed (to some extent, granted) in public schools.

The second is divisive and leaves children out to be targetted for their (non) beliefs.

chiprj

on Sep 15, 2005

no one makes anyone recite the pledge, for the last time!

Peer pressure is a bitch.

chiprj

on Sep 15, 2005

So, when a four year old is taught in school by a teacher that everyone says the pledge every morning and this is how it goes, you are saying that doesn't violate the parents right to direct their children's religious education?

We are talking about schools here. That is important to remember. We are talking about impressionable young minds.

Where are all the parents who get up in arms about the "gay agenda" and "tolerance" being forced down their kids throats? What? It only works one way? You get to deride what educators say when you don't agree, but it is fine when it clearly violates the 1st amendment because it doesn't bother you?

That's much better put than my peer pressure response. Good on you!

Moderateman

on Sep 15, 2005

Reply By: chiprjPosted: Thursday, September 15, 2005no one makes anyone recite the pledge, for the last time!Peer pressure is a bitch.

that i have to agree with peer pressure kinda sorta led me into a drug life.

Moderateman

on Sep 15, 2005

Reply By: chiprjPosted: Thursday, September 15, 2005So, when a four year old is taught in school by a teacher that everyone says the pledge every morning and this is how it goes, you are saying that doesn't violate the parents right to direct their children's religious education?We are talking about schools here. That is important to remember. We are talking about impressionable young minds.Where are all the parents who get up in arms about the "gay agenda" and "tolerance" being forced down their kids throats? What? It only works one way? You get to deride what educators say when you don't agree, but it is fine when it clearly violates the 1st amendment because it doesn't bother you?That's much better put than my peer pressure response. Good on you!

agreed and now seeing things a little differently. thanx for all the input.

drmiler

on Sep 15, 2005

"but this I believe is too much!"

How? If there were an effort to put "one nation, seeking enlightenment" in the Pledge, people would have a cow.

How? I believe this would be called legislating from the bench. Something the idiot judge is NOT supposed to do.

drmiler

on Sep 15, 2005

Fine--as long as you want your schools to run without federal money (and I mean all federal money, including all education grants).

And why is that? Because federal grants are involved they should have a say? Baloney! That would be like them telling me how to run my life because I got a Pell Grant.

bakerstreet

on Sep 15, 2005

I don't know what some of you are talking about.

1) These cases start at the local level, and have been appealed higher and higher. In reality, it is the often the people who who want to keep God IN the pledge that appeal to a higher court. It goes back and forth.

2) States can't enact laws that are counter to the constitution. You guys can bitch and moan, but the fact is the pledge is required in California schools:

2. California Statute and School Districts’ Policy
California law requires that each public elementary school in
the State "conduct[] appropriate patriotic exercises" at the
beginning of the school day, and that "[t]he giving of the Pledge
of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America shall
satisfy the requirements of this section." Cal. Educ. Code
§ 52720.

You can opt out, but that still leaves a state employee in a state school, spending state funds leading the kids in an affirmation of the existence of God. It doesn't matter if you have to say it or not. The act of it being said is wrong.

"That would be like them telling me how to run my life because I got a Pell Grant."

If colleges don't follow federal guidelines, they can't be acredited, and you can't legally spend your pell grant going there. No one is telling the kids how to run their lives, only the institutions that take federal money. By the way, if other activists get their way you won't be able to go to a religiously administrated institution and get government loans or grants.

You guys go on and get all red in the face. I'm beginning to see that the extremes on both sides of the aisle just like to be outraged. Why is unimportant.

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