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Put yourself in someone else's shoes
Published on September 1, 2005 By Moderateman In Philosophy
Picture this.

It's one or two days before payday, you are broke and I do mean broke, no money, maybe a 10 dollar bill to your name.
Many of us live paycheck to paycheck, so it's not that hard to imagine. If you have a car, you have no gas to speak of.

You are considered an outcast by societies rule of thumb,{BTW rule of thumb comes from the olden days when you could not beat your wife with a stick fatter than your thumb} you live on the edge of the law anyways, maybe not a real criminal but will take the easy buck.

Your possessions are the bare minimum, your refrigerator is almost empty most the month.

Suddenly calamity strikes, be it earth quake, flood or disease.

You have no money to escape, you have children and are angry anyways, the heat of summer is already got you on the edge.

You watch as everyone with means to leave has already left.

The most simple things in life are taken from you, no water to drink, no water to flush toilets, no food, no shelter.
Your kids are screaming because they do not understand what is happening to them, they are thirsty and hungry.

What would you do? Would you steal food? other things? Would your anger boil over and cause you to do things you would have never done?


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on Sep 01, 2005
just as a starting point I know what I am capable of doing in order to survive, I have no illusions of the steps I would take to keep my family safe.
on Sep 01, 2005
There are amny things that can be done.  Looting is not surviving.  No more than a parasite is surviving.  taking and not giving anything back.
on Sep 01, 2005
#2 by Dr. Guy
Thursday, September 01, 2005


There are amny things that can be done. Looting is not surviving. No more than a parasite is surviving. taking and not giving anything back.


that's not what I asked nor did I say looting was ok, I asked what would YOU DO?
on Sep 01, 2005
I would take what I need to survive, but, no, I would not seek to profit from it by taking color TVs and the like. I've been that broke with 2 small mouths to feed so I know how that feels. There's a difference in stealing necessities to live and stuff to just fence. I remember my uncle saying that when he was in Europe in WWII he took two .45 handguns from a dead Army Captain out in the middle of nowhere. He said he needed those two guns badly. To my mind that's not looting, if it were me lying there dead I would be saying (if I could) TAKE THEM! Take them and survive. But I would be real pissed if they were just gonna be souvenirs or sold for goodtime money later.
on Sep 01, 2005
4 by Shovelheat
Thursday, September 01, 2005


would take what I need to survive, but, no, I would not seek to profit from it by taking color TVs and the like. I've been that broke with 2 small mouths to feed so I know how that feels. There's a difference in stealing necessities to live and stuff to just fence. I remember my uncle saying that when he was in Europe in WWII he took two .45 handguns from a dead Army Captain out in the middle of nowhere. He said he needed those two guns badly. To my mind that's not looting, if it were me lying there dead I would be saying (if I could) TAKE THEM! Take them and survive. But I would be real pissed if they were just gonna be souvenirs or sold for goodtime money later.


now this is an honest answer, I too would do anything and I mean anything to keep my family safe and fed, if I had to steal a weapon to keep them safe then so be it, but to steal because it's there and ungaurded? hell no.
on Sep 01, 2005
Thats all I want, no moralizing, just a simple what would you do? would you break the law or stand by and die and watch your family die also.
on Sep 01, 2005
Gee how'd you know Elie? It's been a bad week!

Seriously though, having been there at one time or another I know what you're talking about. I however can't condone the ones who are looting for looting's sake. They're not getting food to eat, they're getting electronics, guns, items that they can't use right now. And storing it to used later? That's ridiculous!

I really can't understand why they would shoot at the army helicopters and the ambulances trying to help and rescue people! That's madness. The sad thing is that not all people are doing it, or let me re-phrase, not all black people are doing it. Just the few who are mostly young youths who are too ignorant and don't know what the hell they're doing!

In the case of someone who is not amongst those looting asses I know it must be terrifying and I hope they will be able to get the help they need.
on Sep 01, 2005

Thats all I want, no moralizing, just a simple what would you do? would you break the law or stand by and die and watch your family die also.

And as I said, I would do neither.  Because there are always alternatives.  Many of us have been there before, and not resorted to breaking the law.

on Sep 01, 2005
Because there are always alternatives. Many of us have been there before, and not resorted to breaking the law.


Absolutley! Yes, I would use my brain (yes, I do have one even though it's tiny) and look for the legal options, but I think MM's question is if things are REALLY bleak. Like my uncle I described in war time Europe. If I HAD to, I would.
on Sep 01, 2005
Reply By: foreverserenityPosted: Thursday, September 01, 2005Gee how'd you know Elie? It's been a bad week!Seriously though, having been there at one time or another I know what you're talking about. I however can't condone the ones who are looting for looting's sake. They're not getting food to eat, they're getting electronics, guns, items that they can't use right now. And storing it to used later? That's ridiculous! I really can't understand why they would shoot at the army helicopters and the ambulances trying to help and rescue people! That's madness. The sad thing is that not all people are doing it, or let me re-phrase, not all black people are doing it. Just the few who are mostly young youths who are too ignorant and don't know what the hell they're doing!In the case of someone who is not amongst those looting asses I know it must be terrifying and I hope they will be able to get the help they need.


sorry yer week sucks, things will get better. {{{{forever}}}} and a brotherly forehead kiss.
on Sep 01, 2005
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Thursday, September 01, 2005Thats all I want, no moralizing, just a simple what would you do? would you break the law or stand by and die and watch your family die also.And as I said, I would do neither. Because there are always alternatives. Many of us have been there before, and not resorted to breaking the law.


doc your ducking.. come on man let me see what you are made of.
on Sep 01, 2005
Reply By: ShovelheatPosted: Thursday, September 01, 2005Because there are always alternatives. Many of us have been there before, and not resorted to breaking the law.Absolutley! Yes, I would use my brain (yes, I do have one even though it's tiny) and look for the legal options, but I think MM's question is if things are REALLY bleak. Like my uncle I described in war time Europe. If I HAD to, I would.


again an honest answer, doc wants to continue to duck an answer. if there was no hope, all by yourself you had to feed and protect your family. no law, no water no hope a person should be able to project and say "I would do whatever I had to" sheeesh .
on Sep 01, 2005

I'd do whatever it took to survive and to protect me and mine.  If that meant taking food, water and weapons, then I'd do it.  If that meant shooting whoever, whenever because they were a threat to us and our survival, then  I'd do it.

What I wouldn't do was take more things than I needed to survive.  TV's and stereos aren't necessary for survival, neither are designer clothes and bling. 

it's one thing to ensure that you don't starve to death, die of dehydration or get attacked and killed by your fellow man.  It's quite another to get your 'good times' at someone else's expense.

on Sep 01, 2005

Absolutley! Yes, I would use my brain (yes, I do have one even though it's tiny) and look for the legal options, but I think MM's question is if things are REALLY bleak. Like my uncle I described in war time Europe. If I HAD to, I would.

Taking 2 pistols off of a dead officer in a war zone, is not the scenerio that MM portrayed there.  He was not looting, he was fighting in a war.  A big difference.

on Sep 01, 2005
Reply By: dharmagrlPosted: Thursday, September 01, 2005I'd do whatever it took to survive and to protect me and mine. If that meant taking food, water and weapons, then I'd do it. If that meant shooting whoever, whenever because they were a threat to us and our survival, then I'd do it.What I wouldn't do was take more things than I needed to survive. TV's and stereos aren't necessary for survival, neither are designer clothes and bling. it's one thing to ensure that you don't starve to death, die of dehydration or get attacked and killed by your fellow man. It's quite another to get your 'good times' at someone else's expense.


another honest answer survival comes first. the stealing of anything other than what you NEED to live is stealing and should be punished even more because anyone that loots in such dire straights needs to be removed from the society they scorn.
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