OK LEFTWING WE GIVE

LEAVING IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN RIGHT NOW.

Published on August 11, 2005 By Moderateman In Current Events

OK leftwingers, we just left the two contries to fend for themselves.

All our troop are home, every last one of them. Just like you wanted.

No reason for the Islamic fundamentalist to fight anymore. Right?We have retreated to the united states.

Now the country that I love is hit again, lets say the bad guys hit a chemical plant, thousands of american citizens die, women and children.

WHOS FAULT IT IS?.

Comments (Page 1)

Texas Wahine

on Aug 11, 2005

I'm not calling for immediate withdrawal of our troops. Actually, I'd like to see more troops in Afghanistan. In Iraq, I'd like to see us working toward making Iraq stable enough that we can excuse ourselves (and we are).

I question the urgency and the necessity of the war in Iraq, particularly the timing. But we are there, and there's no sense in wasting the progress we've made, particuarly with the price tag that's it come with.

I think war against the taliban and the GWOT is just and should be a continued effort.

bakerstreet

on Aug 11, 2005

"I question the urgency and the necessity of the war in Iraq, particularly the timing. But we are there, and there's no sense in wasting the progress we've made, particuarly with the price tag that's it come with."

Urgency is relative. I wonder if anyone pre-9/11 would have considered the need to attack Afghanistan 'urgent'. How many more years would have been before the UN allowed Hussein to rearm himself, with France and Russia poised to make a killing doing it? Look at how willing members of the suppsedly non-aligned UN were to make a quick buck by helping him starve his people?

If it wasn't done in the 8 years Bush was in office, would it have been done in the 4 or 8 years after with reasonably good chance of a Clintonian Democrat in office? I think in 16 years we would have been facing a completely different, and more dangerous, Iraq. Best case scenario, the people of Iraq would have continued suffering under sanctions while corrupt officials diverted the food for oil money into his pockets.

Others don't agree, but there was no change in Hussein's opinion of those in his country who opposed him, and no change in his promotion of terrorist attacks against Israel ($10k bounties to families of suicide bombers). I just think that 16 more years of complacency might have led to something far, far worse than 9/11, if not in the US, then in Israel or somewhere else.

Admiral_Ackbar

on Aug 11, 2005

Who's fault is it? those left wingers. And how was Bush to know way back when that there were no WMDs? All the signs said they were, and we had to take urgent action. Sure, we didn't find any, but look how many people got their freedom.

kingbee

on Aug 11, 2005

lets say the bad guys hit a chemical plant, thousands of american citizens die, women and children.

WHOS FAULT IT IS?.

i'd think it would be the people put more effort into rushing thru the patriot act, choosing homeland security colors, dumping money and untold hours creating the illusion that iraq hadda be invaded...while not even pretending to compel the chemical industry to make sure all its gates are locked.

Dr Guy

on Aug 12, 2005

Again you attack the victims, and not the agressors. At least you are consistent in that regard.

Zoomba

on Aug 12, 2005

I think we need to look no further than Marci's article the other day on whether or not we deserved 9/11. Once the military is removed, and they can no longer claim oppression, they will shift to attack us simply because we are more successful. Evidently it's A-OK to hate someone simply because they have a better lot in life than you do.

So after the military is removed as an excuse, the far left will move to blame corporations, CEOs, millionaires for the attacks because it will somehow be THEIR fault that people live in poverty and that poverty inspires terrorism.

And if we move to a socialist society where everything was equally distributed and no one was poor, they would blame terrorism on the individual victim, saying "Well, Joe over there didn't hold the door open for Hasad, so of course his house got hit with a car bomb. He deserved it!"

Moderateman

on Aug 12, 2005

Reply By: Texas WahinePosted: Thursday, August 11, 2005I'm not calling for immediate withdrawal of our troops. Actually, I'd like to see more troops in Afghanistan. In Iraq, I'd like to see us working toward making Iraq stable enough that we can excuse ourselves (and we are). I question the urgency and the necessity of the war in Iraq, particularly the timing. But we are there, and there's no sense in wasting the progress we've made, particuarly with the price tag that's it come with.I think war against the taliban and the GWOT is just and should be a continued effort.

so do I tex, was just wondering if the left got there way, and we were attacked again, would that be bushes fault too?

Moderateman

on Aug 12, 2005

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Thursday, August 11, 2005"I question the urgency and the necessity of the war in Iraq, particularly the timing. But we are there, and there's no sense in wasting the progress we've made, particuarly with the price tag that's it come with."Urgency is relative. I wonder if anyone pre-9/11 would have considered the need to attack Afghanistan 'urgent'. How many more years would have been before the UN allowed Hussein to rearm himself, with France and Russia poised to make a killing doing it? Look at how willing members of the suppsedly non-aligned UN were to make a quick buck by helping him starve his people?If it wasn't done in the 8 years Bush was in office, would it have been done in the 4 or 8 years after with reasonably good chance of a Clintonian Democrat in office? I think in 16 years we would have been facing a completely different, and more dangerous, Iraq. Best case scenario, the people of Iraq would have continued suffering under sanctions while corrupt officials diverted the food for oil money into his pockets.Others don't agree, but there was no change in Hussein's opinion of those in his country who opposed him, and no change in his promotion of terrorist attacks against Israel ($10k bounties to families of suicide bombers). I just think that 16 more years of complacency might have led to something far, far worse than 9/11, if not in the US, then in Israel or somewhere else.

There ya go making sense again baker.

Moderateman

on Aug 12, 2005

Reply By: kingbeePosted: Thursday, August 11, 2005lets say the bad guys hit a chemical plant, thousands of american citizens die, women and children.WHOS FAULT IT IS?. i'd think it would be the people put more effort into rushing thru the patriot act, choosing homeland security colors, dumping money and untold hours creating the illusion that iraq hadda be invaded...while not even pretending to compel the chemical industry to make sure all its gates are locked.

ya never let me down kingbee I have come to expect the worse from you and you never dissapoint.

Moderateman

on Aug 12, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Friday, August 12, 2005i'd think it would be the people put more effort into rushing thru the patriot act, choosing homeland security colors, dumping money and untold hours creating the illusion that iraq hadda be invaded...while not even pretending to compel the chemical industry to make sure all its gates are locked.Again you attack the victims, and not the agressors. At least you are consistent in that regard.

bot ain't that the unvarnished truth.

Moderateman

on Aug 12, 2005

Reply By: ZoombaPosted: Friday, August 12, 2005I think we need to look no further than Marci's article the other day on whether or not we deserved 9/11. Once the military is removed, and they can no longer claim oppression, they will shift to attack us simply because we are more successful. Evidently it's A-OK to hate someone simply because they have a better lot in life than you do.So after the military is removed as an excuse, the far left will move to blame corporations, CEOs, millionaires for the attacks because it will somehow be THEIR fault that people live in poverty and that poverty inspires terrorism.And if we move to a socialist society where everything was equally distributed and no one was poor, they would blame terrorism on the individual victim, saying "Well, Joe over there didn't hold the door open for Hasad, so of course his house got hit with a car bomb. He deserved it!"

ah so in essense you are saying that no matter what we as a nation do, the terror mongers will find a reason to kill us.

Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 12, 2005

Excellent points, Baker. While I stand with those who question whether the Iraq war was justified, I also have to stop to realize that the same idiots who attack Bush no matter what he does would have hit him twice as hard had we not intervened and consequently been the victims of a large scale attack by a Hussein led regime.

I don't think there were easy choices to have been made in these situations, at any rate.

Zoomba

on Aug 12, 2005

ah so in essense you are saying that no matter what we as a nation do, the terror mongers will find a reason to kill us.

Exactly. Hatred requires no reason, especially when it's fundamentalist hatred like we are dealing with now. They will hate us no matter what we do or who we are. So long as we aren't a part of their group, we will be a target of their hatred. The far left can't grasp this so they'll keep blaming everyone but the terrorist for the acts, until eventually they blame those killed for being killed or being in a situation where they could be killed.

Dr Guy

on Aug 12, 2005

And if we move to a socialist society where everything was equally distributed and no one was poor, they would blame terrorism on the individual victim, saying "Well, Joe over there didn't hold the door open for Hasad, so of course his house got hit with a car bomb. He deserved it!"

Exactly! On another thread I disputed that envy was the human condition. Instead, I maintain that it is the flawed human condition. They do not need a reason. For anytime you take away the 'reason', they will come up with another.

In simpler terms, evil exists as a flawed human condition. And it will find an excuse for its existance. Period.

Dr Guy

on Aug 12, 2005

I also have to stop to realize that the same idiots who attack Bush no matter what he does would have hit him twice as hard had we not intervened and consequently been the victims of a large scale attack by a Hussein led regime.

And as for Proof for Gideons statement, listen to them talk about Sudan and Rwanda (that was a clinton one, but they will assign it to Bush).

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