Parental Permission

Why stop at abortions?

Published on July 28, 2005 By Moderateman In Surgery

I have been following lifehappens blog on child abortion without or with parents permission, and since my question went unanswered there I will pose it here with statements and questions.

Why stop at parental permission for abortion? Just let the kids decide what is right or wrong for themselves? WRONG!

How about other surgeries?

Nose jobs.

Breast implants.

Lipo suction.

Stomach stapling.

Sure let them all have anykind of surgeries they want, after all they know whats best for themselves, right? WRONG!

where does it stop? take away all parental responsibility? sure. let em shack-up at 14 it's ok, let em get preggers then abort all on there own, after all we parents want to be cool and understanding. NOT!

Let them get tatoos at 12 why not?

Piercings on there faces at 12 no permission needed there either.

Where does this insanity stop? Where does it end?

Comments

Moderateman

on Jul 28, 2005

flinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg into the forumsssssssssssss......

Zoomba

on Jul 28, 2005

It's a case where the rabid groups want to argue that the abortion case is "different" that it should be an exception to the standard set of rules.

If you need parental permission for A, and B is similar to A, then you need permission for B too... simple.

lifehappens

on Jul 28, 2005

I agree with your point of view and I didn't respond to it on my thread because you did such a good job of pointing out the obvious. Thanks for mentioning me on your blog (I'm flattered).

To share wise thoughts..... Marcie Helen said "Can you force the revolver out of your 6 year old's hand? Yes. And any parent would. Because that's what's BEST for the child. A pregnant teenager isn't necessarily capable of making the wisest choice. "

Where will it end? The worst place. Society will gradually, then drastically shift away from families, responsibility and respect and develop into a world where society justifies every whim while avoiding any appearance of right and wrong.

Moderateman

on Jul 28, 2005

Reply By: ZoombaPosted: Thursday, July 28, 2005It's a case where the rabid groups want to argue that the abortion case is "different" that it should be an exception to the standard set of rules.If you need parental permission for A, and B is similar to A, then you need permission for B too... simple.

I get so confused sometimes, first we say we need to protect our children, then in same breath we say it's alright for them to make adult decisions without any input from the parents.

Moderateman

on Jul 28, 2005

Reply By: lifehappensPosted: Thursday, July 28, 2005I agree with your point of view and I didn't respond to it on my thread because you did such a good job of pointing out the obvious. Thanks for mentioning me on your blog (I'm flattered).

You write worthy stuff and I need to pay way more attention to them/.\

thanx for agreeing. I want someone to make sense of all this to ME the father of 2 female children {grown up now} when my oldest at 23 needed an abortion, she came to me and said help me, she knew I hate abortion, but would be there for her. I was there and together we did the deed. Did I like it? HELL NO. did I do it, sadly yes, she was not prepared to raise a child on her own and she and I both understood that.

Manopeace

on Jul 28, 2005

Instead of the emphasis on parental permission.... whatever happened to parental guidance? Why are so many youngins getting pregnant in the first place? Yes... it takes 'two to tango', so to speak... but there is usually a teacher around to teach you the steps. Where are the parents today? and why arn't they teaching their children??

Moderateman

on Jul 28, 2005

Reply By: ManopeacePosted: Thursday, July 28, 2005Instead of the emphasis on parental permission.... whatever happened to parental guidance? Why are so many youngins getting pregnant in the first place? Yes... it takes 'two to tango', so to speak... but there is usually a teacher around to teach you the steps. Where are the parents today? and why arn't they teaching their children??

the government has taken away most parental rights, hit your kid go to jail, threaten your kid, they say "what ya gonna do hit me" I will call cops. thanx liberals.........

Texas Wahine

on Jul 28, 2005

I don't think requiring parental permission dilutes a woman's right to choose. However, there are some circumstances where a pregnant child or teen might be endangered by notifying their parents.

There are many sticky areas.

Along the lines of the examples you've posted for parental permission...

When my brother was 17, he wanted a tattoo of a lightning bolt on his upper arm. He was doing an internship with meteorologists in a weather center (and now he has a Bachelors in Ministry and is a missionary in Italy, go figure) and the tattoo was to be a tribute to his fascination with storms.

My parents had no problem with the tattoo (my brother has always been very level-headed, if a bit spunky, so they weren't concerned that he would grow to regret it), and they took him to the tattoo parlor to get it done. All three of them had IDs with them, and my parents were willing to sign whatever paperwork or waivers were required so that he could get the tattoo.

He was a year shy, so the tattoo parlor refused to ink him (legally, they simply could not do it). Even WITH parental permission, he was not allowed to get a tattoo, which, while permanent, carries minimal risk when done by a professional with clean and proper instruments.

Getting a tattoo is certainly a far less monumental and dangerous decision for a young adult than abortion, but even with the parents OK, he was not allowed to do it.

Interesting world we live in.

Moderateman

on Jul 29, 2005

Reply By: Texas WahinePosted: Thursday, July 28, 2005I don't think requiring parental permission dilutes a woman's right to choose. However, there are some circumstances where a pregnant child or teen might be endangered by notifying their parents.

Getting a tattoo is certainly a far less monumental and dangerous decision for a young adult than abortion, but even with the parents OK, he was not allowed to do it.Interesting world we live in.

If a child is in danger from the parents due to a expectant child, then there should be some kind of oversight with a member that advocates abortion, a member that does not, and a nueteral member to help the child.

Intresting? hmmmmmmm kind of bent to me.

Manopeace

on Jul 29, 2005

the government has taken away most parental rights

I said 'parental guidance'...not rights.

Moderateman

on Jul 29, 2005

10 by Manopeace
Friday, July 29, 2005

the government has taken away most parental rights

I said 'parental guidance'...not rights.

even with great kids sometimes you have to back up your "guidence" with threats, {take away stuff, grounding} what do you do when your child says I ain't gonna listen, bite me?

Manopeace

on Jul 29, 2005

whack the livin daylights out of them!

Moderateman

on Jul 29, 2005

12 by Manopeace
Friday, July 29, 2005

whack the livin daylights out of them!

You do that here in america and you could be charged and jailed, and that's the problem to much government intrusion into family life.

I am not saying it's ok the crush your childs skull far from that, but even a simple smack can land a parent into serious trouble mano.

foreverserenity

on Aug 01, 2005

I am not saying it's ok the crush your childs skull far from that, but even a simple smack can land a parent into serious trouble mano.

Yea, the neighbors just have to hear the child crying and they will call the police! That hasn't happed to me but it has happened to others!

I don't agree with the government or anyone or any entity taking away my rights as a parent, and I won't let them either. I believe that a parent should have all the rights as a parent to take care of and guide their child. Unfortunately with the way things are nowadays, some kids know how quickly the parent will get into trouble with the law and use this over their parents to get away with a lot of stuff. Me, my kid try that, I just tell them this fact: how would you like being in a foster home and being taken away from me and your dad forever? Never seeing your brother or sister for the rest of your life? That would shut them up pretty quickly don't you think?!

That being said I would never have to do this because I have been in touch with and in control of my children from birth. I discipline them and I communicate with them. Up to this point in their lives as they get older, I'm very much involved. With love and respect for each other a child and a parent can have their differences and still have a good relationship. That child will always respect and love his/her parent. Without any parental involvement then of course their is going to be mayhem. Why would that child listen if they weren't taught to do so in the beginning?

A parent has to be involved in their child's life all the way. This is how your daughter came to you Elie when she had a problem. This is how my child can come to me and discuss anything with me.

She showed me an article in Seventeen magazine recently about a mother who killed her child because she lost her virginity. How sad is that?! So in a case like that, a child would be afraid of her parent.

Moderateman

on Aug 01, 2005

Reply By: foreverserenityPosted: Monday, August 01, 2005

A parent has to be involved in their child's life all the way. This is how your daughter came to you Elie when she had a problem. This is how my child can come to me and discuss anything with me.

The scarey thing is bobbi, the oldest and I use to butt heads constantly, while gen-e and I were ever so close, now gen-e will not talk to be at all while bobbi and I are thicker than thieves.

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