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Monsters hide behind this.
Published on July 4, 2005 By Moderateman In US Domestic
While in 1966 Miranda rights {the right to remain silent and to an attorney} was a ground breaking rule to keep cops from pounding a confession out of you, I think because of the coeuy case in fla. And the present case in Idaho, of Shasta groene, and this level 3 child molester hiding behind Miranda rights while a Childs life might hang in the balance we might want to revisit Miranda rights.

The right to remain silent when a life hangs in the balance should be revoked; this particular monster should be eligible for coercive interrogation, just like any other terrorist. Because in fact that is what a child molester does, terrorize his victims.

To be fair as panel should be present during interrogation of a defendant to make sure he or she is not tortured into a confession, but sleep deprivation and other gentle tactics should be allowed.

Why we as a country insist on protecting these monsters is beyond me. We afford more protection under the law than the victims get from the degenerate creatures.

It’s about time the people get back one of the basic freedoms that America used to stand for, the freedom from fear.

These particular evil beings move from state to state molesting and defiling our children and we get no protection from the courts.

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on Jul 04, 2005
It's a silly technicality. You can be arrested and charged and go to jail for breaking laws that you didn't even know existed, and yet if the police forget to say a little nursery rhyme when they arrest a serial child molester he can go free.

Everyone has the right to remain silent. It's called keeping your damned mouth shut. If people rattle off confessions, it's their own problem. If ignorance of a law doesn't prevent you from being prosecuted, then I don't understand why ignorance of the system should protect you.
on Jul 04, 2005
Most of you are missing what Miranda Rights are. First they are not rights at all. Miranda was nothing more than a decision by the SC that said that people are to stupid to know their own rights so police have to inform them of their constitutional rights at certain times.

First police do not need to read you your rights, only if they are going to ask you questions about a specific crime of which you are the suspect. If they are not going to ask you any questions, they do not need to read them to you.

ALso you must be in custody and not free to leave. SO if a cop stops you on the street and wants to talk to you and your dumb enough to admit to a crime, you didn't need your rights read to you as you were not in custody and were free to leave.

The Miranda Dec was a 1 vote split. Basically what the court said was for the benefit of stupid people who are to dumb to know their rights, we will make the cops tell them to you so you know what they are. But they do not have to do this under all circumstances.

I for one do not read them to suspects unless absolutly required. You get more and better information that way. Also I like leaving my in car camera on facing backwards into the prisoner area and the audio on and put two suspects in the car together. They usally are dumb enough to talk about the crime on video. LOL Anyway, no need to rethink Miranda, seasoned cops know when to and when not to use it.

IMHO..
on Jul 04, 2005
#16 by BakerStreet
Monday, July 04, 2005


It's a silly technicality. You can be arrested and charged and go to jail for breaking laws that you didn't even know existed, and yet if the police forget to say a little nursery rhyme when they arrest a serial child molester he can go free.


exactly, and I for one think that is the crime .
on Jul 04, 2005
17 by ShadowWar
Monday, July 04, 2005


Most of you are missing what Miranda Rights are


miranda was accused of stealing 8000 dollors from a bank, his "confessions" was beaten out of him, he was convicted and sent to prison, the SC reversed what happened to him, this decision along with escobar is the basis for monsteres hiding out behind thier "rights"
on Jul 04, 2005
#18 by little_whip
Monday, July 04, 2005


The right to remain silent is not a Miranda right, MM, its a Constitutional one.


nope, it was a sc decision made in 1968 to prevent cops from getting confessions illegally. For it to be used to allow kids to die so some level 3 child rapist can have protection under the law is crap. what about the childs right to live?
on Jul 04, 2005
Here's the bottom line when it comes to creating different forms of justice for each individual felon:
The law would be far too open in terms of interpretation and even individual lifestyles. For example, who is to say which crime is too horrendous and which is simply overly dosgusting? You know who? A Judge. I read about that US judge who likes thinking about banging little children. A scary thought thinking of his personal interpretation if he's presiding over a molesting case, maybe he'd give the guy seven years rather than 10 years. Who's to say? Well, not judges. So then who? You? Me? ShadowWar? There is no one who can do it so the law is the basic guideline which, if you trust in law and order, determines the course of action to be taken over those who do society harm. There's no flexibility* when it comes to the law, as there shouldn't be. And really, as mortals, who do we think would be able to take on the moral responsibility it would entail in order to give out individual justice? No one but Jesus Himself.

* I speak only of written law.
on Jul 04, 2005
am curious if you would be so quick to defend, if it was your child held captive by a monster, I say this not to start a war dharma, just out of me being curious, remember this title was asking a question and I was presenting one part of an arguement.ok? try to remember I do respect you and your opinions.


Would I want him to be Mirandized? Hell yes. Because I would want everything about his arrest and interrogation to be done by the book. No 'walking on a technicality', no quetion about the validity of his statement.

In this case, he should have had a defender made available to him almost immediately. If, as you assert, the clock is ticking.....then the cops would want him to have access to his brief as soon as possible.
on Jul 04, 2005
ok we all agree miranda is a good thing,,, but MY point is should we allow people like Coeuy and the idaho monster be treated like the rest of us?
on Jul 04, 2005
I think the real question is should something as trivial as this keep a confessed monster out of jail. I agree that reading them their rights is a good thing, but should it disallow everything thereafter, even if the truth can be verified seperately?

Nope.
on Jul 04, 2005
26 by BakerStreet
Monday, July 04, 2005


think the real question is should something as trivial as this keep a confessed monster out of jail. I agree that reading them their rights is a good thing, but should it disallow everything thereafter, even if the truth can be verified seperately?

Nope.


this is the doeuy case your talking about and I agree, I also think that fucker in Idaho the level 3 child rapist should have the shit pounded out of him to find out where the kid is, cruel? yes. do I care> No. not a bit
on Jul 04, 2005
It's insane to say that a killer who leads you to a body should have that evidence thrown out simply because you didn't recite a little limerick that KIDS KNOW BY HEART...

If so, why can't we say that if we were unaware that it was, say, illegal to burn leaves in my yard. Did anyone tell me? Nope. Are there signs? Nope.

But ignorance of the law isn't a valid excuse. I'd still be fined or charged with a crime if I caused inadvertant damage. So, why is it okay to say that ignorance of your rights somehow invalidates your confession?
on Jul 04, 2005
28 by BakerStreet
Monday, July 04, 2005


It's insane to say that a killer who leads you to a body should have that evidence thrown out simply because you didn't recite a little limerick that KIDS KNOW BY HEART...

If so, why can't we say that if we were unaware that it was, say, illegal to burn leaves in my yard. Did anyone tell me? Nope. Are there signs? Nope.

But ignorance of the law isn't a valid excuse. I'd still be fined or charged with a crime if I caused inadvertant damage. So, why is it okay to say that ignorance of your rights somehow invalidates your confession?


scarey how much we are on the same page baker. time to grow up and start dealing with the evil that lives among us, vigelante law is sounding better to me all the time. "GET A ROPE"
on Jul 04, 2005
... I could have SWORN that those who have been arrested previuosly don;t have to get Miranda recited because they should know by now what it is... or was that some TV show thing?

He was in the system before right? Why wouldn't he know about his right to remain silent? Prision record in the past? I thought child molestors are tracked even after serving their time?
on Jul 04, 2005
30 by joeKnowledge
Monday, July 04, 2005


I could have SWORN that those who have been arrested previuosly don;t have to get Miranda recited because they should know by now what it is... or was that some TV show thing?

He was in the system before right? Why wouldn't he know about his right to remain silent? Prision record in the past? I thought child molestors are tracked even after serving their time?


yes even tho arrested and convicted they get to have miranda rights with each and every crime they commit.

No they are not tracked properly, the idaho monster did child molestations in washington, then north dakota, then minnesota the idaho.
on Jul 04, 2005
30 by joeKnowledge
Monday, July 04, 2005


I could have SWORN that those who have been arrested previuosly don;t have to get Miranda recited because they should know by now what it is... or was that some TV show thing?

He was in the system before right? Why wouldn't he know about his right to remain silent? Prision record in the past? I thought child molestors are tracked even after serving their time?


yes even tho arrested and convicted they get to have miranda rights with each and every crime they commit.

No they are not tracked properly, the idaho monster did child molestations in washington, then north dakota, then minnesota then idaho.
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