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Monsters hide behind this.
Published on July 4, 2005 By Moderateman In US Domestic
While in 1966 Miranda rights {the right to remain silent and to an attorney} was a ground breaking rule to keep cops from pounding a confession out of you, I think because of the coeuy case in fla. And the present case in Idaho, of Shasta groene, and this level 3 child molester hiding behind Miranda rights while a Childs life might hang in the balance we might want to revisit Miranda rights.

The right to remain silent when a life hangs in the balance should be revoked; this particular monster should be eligible for coercive interrogation, just like any other terrorist. Because in fact that is what a child molester does, terrorize his victims.

To be fair as panel should be present during interrogation of a defendant to make sure he or she is not tortured into a confession, but sleep deprivation and other gentle tactics should be allowed.

Why we as a country insist on protecting these monsters is beyond me. We afford more protection under the law than the victims get from the degenerate creatures.

It’s about time the people get back one of the basic freedoms that America used to stand for, the freedom from fear.

These particular evil beings move from state to state molesting and defiling our children and we get no protection from the courts.

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on Jul 06, 2005
Reply By: dharmagrlPosted: Wednesday, July 06, 2005think that you are missing the point that the "monster" asked for his lawyer TWICE and the police ignored him. The police didn't fail to read him Mirranda Rights--they failed to provide him counsel when he asked for it more than once.That's EXACTLY my point! If they were so concerned about finding this missing boy, why didn't they provide him with counsel immediately? If they wanted the information he was holding and knew that he had invoked his Miranda rights, why in the hell didn't they move their asses?This has less to do with Miranda and more to do with the cops and DA's office ignoring his request


you are confusing the 2 cases D, coeuey is the man that killed jessica in fla. his "rights" were alledgedly violated, the other monster in idaho , asked for a lawyer imediatly when the groene boy is still missing.
on Jul 06, 2005
"That's EXACTLY my point! If they were so concerned about finding this missing boy, why didn't they provide him with counsel immediately?"


Because the first thing your lawyer tells you is to shut the hell up and admit nothing. It isn't in his interest to say a single word the moment he gets a lawyer.

The only time it IS in his interest is when he's been charged, the state's evidence is shown, and only THEN could he productively deal. Until then, anything he says IS evidence.
on Jul 06, 2005
Rules need to mean something, Helix. Police procedure should be kept to, but if it isn't the person to punish is the policeman.

Do these criminals need to be reminded of their rights, really? Didn't they get it the first three or four times? Do we forgive them because they weren't reminded of all the laws they break?

Explain to me how ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking one, but ignorance of your rights is the police's fault. When someone leads a policeman to a body, there's no reason for any indescretion to "erase" the event.

If you want to punish the cop for not saying his little limerick, fine, but don't punish the victim. Don't punish the rest of us by turning a monster loose.
on Jul 06, 2005

The issue here, MM, is that the system let this monster go in the first place!

Sell a couple ounces of pot...go to prison for life; sexually molest a kid, get paroled before the kid graduates high school.

F&^*ed up system, if you ask me

on Jul 06, 2005

Because the first thing your lawyer tells you is to shut the hell up and admit nothing. It isn't in his interest to say a single word the moment he gets a lawyer.

Remember Dirty Harry? Very Prophetic.

on Jul 07, 2005
Because the first thing your lawyer tells you is to shut the hell up and admit nothing. It isn't in his interest to say a single word the moment he gets a lawyer.

Remember Dirty Harry? Very Prophetic.


Ah Ah, I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?
on Jul 21, 2005
#65 by Helix the II
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


Moderateman, I feel your sentiments and understand where you are coming from, it is a travesity to have a technicality interfer with saving lives, however.. You wish to punish monsters.. Little things such as the Miranda, due process, and all of those technicalities help us from becoming monsters. It is too easy to abuse rules and laws. Criminals do it all the time. That does not mean those who uphold the law should be allowed to abuse it, as well.. elsewise.. we're all criminals in the end, some worse than others. I refuse to let my compassion and my empathy turn me into a monster.


You cannot fight monsters by being proper, it's about time to show the monsters our fangs.
on Jul 21, 2005
#67 by Gideon MacLeish
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


The issue here, MM, is that the system let this monster go in the first place!
Sell a couple ounces of pot...go to prison for life; sexually molest a kid, get paroled before the kid graduates high school.
F&^*ed up system, if you ask me


boy do I agree with that GID, we really need stronger laws and more supervision if the molesters ever get free. maybe a huge tatoo on the forehead" I MOLEST CHILDREN"
on Jul 21, 2005
68 by Dr. Guy
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


Because the first thing your lawyer tells you is to shut the hell up and admit nothing. It isn't in his interest to say a single word the moment he gets a lawyer.

Remember Dirty Harry? Very Prophetic.


yeh doc, some real street justice. animals need to be killed anyways.
on Jul 21, 2005
#69 by drmiler
Thursday, July 07, 2005


Because the first thing your lawyer tells you is to shut the hell up and admit nothing. It isn't in his interest to say a single word the moment he gets a lawyer.

Remember Dirty Harry? Very Prophetic.


Ah Ah, I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?


ah "dirty doc" shoots first and asks questions much later, my kind of man.
on Jul 22, 2005
66 by BakerStreet
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


Rules need to mean something, Helix. Police procedure should be kept to, but if it isn't the person to punish is the policeman.


rules are only meaningfull if BOTH sides play by them, otherwise it's a handicap.
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