Know thyself or to thine own self be true

Who do YOU think you're kidding?

Published on February 3, 2005 By Moderateman In Religion

After reading one particular blog here, I decided people of today for the most part are fooling themselves, or trying too.

To say, write, type that YOU are not capable of killing someone under any circumstances is pure folly.

Man by nature is a predator and a killer.
We kill to eat period.
Be it plants or animals we kill to survive.

To use the ten commandments to “prove” that killing is bad I can agree with, but to use the same commandments to say “I cannot kill is just crap”.

I believe most do not want to kill another human being, but to Proclaim to the world that you are so evolved to be unable to kill, is just plain foolish.

I have found when push comes to shove and survival is at stake, man {woman} will kill no matter how much they think they cannot do it.

To use the 10 commandments to prove war is bad is moronic,,, war is bad this I know without any 10 commandments telling me so.

To take some kind of Moral high ground trying to convince others you cannot kill is without a doubt NOT KNOWING WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

Your proclamations are not fooling me or anyone else; you’re only fooling yourself.

Comments

Shovelheat

on Feb 03, 2005

Good article. What I find interesting is how people live in denial, a dreamworld, where they do not acnowledge the simple fact that someone or something HAS TO DIE for YOU TO LIVE. No matter what and no exceptions, be it self defense or whatever. Even a devout vegetarian has a hand in this grand scheme whether they acknowledge it or not (loss of habitat for one thing). No, I ain't sayin' I like it that way, I'm just sayin' that's the way it is.

insightful...

Danny Bassette

on Feb 03, 2005

While I'll agree with the general point, that most people would kill if it was about survival, and I'll agree that in order for something to live something else had to die. But I also think there are some people out there that wouldn't kill another person, under any cicumstances. But then again, the only way to know that for sure, and not have it as just words and a theory, would be for them to be in a situation where the only choice they could make was to kill someone. And by not making that choice they would most likely end up dead themselves, thsu removing them from the picutre.

Shovelheat

on Feb 03, 2005

And by not making that choice they would most likely end up dead themselves

I guess that's why the "fight back" instinct when flight is impossible has evolved along with us.

Dr Guy

on Feb 03, 2005

The purpose of the 10 commandments, beyond its religious significance, was to try to instill some civility into man. Prior to the Major religions we have today, the gods of old regularly said "killl for me".

So the commandment of thou shalt not kill, is not saying cant. Quite the contrary, it is saying you can, but should not.

That was a good point you made. I think as we do get more civilized, the revulsion aginst killing will grow, but without some type of Genetic tampering, the ability will never disappear.

Moderateman

on Feb 03, 2005

Reply By: ShovelheatPosted: Thursday, February 03, 2005Good article. What I find interesting is how people live in denial, a dreamworld, where they do not acnowledge the simple fact that someone or something HAS TO DIE for YOU TO LIVE. No matter what and no exceptions, be it self defense or whatever. Even a devout vegetarian has a hand in this grand scheme whether they acknowledge it or not (loss of habitat for one thing). No, I ain't sayin' I like it that way, I'm just sayin' that's the way it is.

Thank you , I believe that is my very first insightfull. and I do not like it either, but I understand my true nature very well.

Moderateman

on Feb 03, 2005

Reply By: Danny BassettePosted: Thursday, February 03, 2005While I'll agree with the general point, that most people would kill if it was about survival, and I'll agree that in order for something to live something else had to die. But I also think there are some people out there that wouldn't kill another person, under any cicumstances. But then again, the only way to know that for sure, and not have it as just words and a theory, would be for them to be in a situation where the only choice they could make was to kill someone. And by not making that choice they would most likely end up dead themselves, thsu removing them from the picutre.

The only instinct man is born with is survival... no matter how ya try to twist it, we will survive..

Moderateman

on Feb 03, 2005

Reply By: ShovelheatPosted: Thursday, February 03, 2005And by not making that choice they would most likely end up dead themselvesI guess that's why the "fight back" instinct when flight is impossible has evolved along with us.

Not just fight back but get real nasty.. how many times has it been reported a mother fighting of a bear because her child was in harms way?

Moderateman

on Feb 03, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Thursday, February 03, 2005The purpose of the 10 commandments, beyond its religious significance, was to try to instill some civility into man. Prior to the Major religions we have today, the gods of old regularly said "killl for me".So the commandment of thou shalt not kill, is not saying cant. Quite the contrary, it is saying you can, but should not. That was a good point you made. I think as we do get more civilized, the revulsion aginst killing will grow, but without some type of Genetic tampering, the ability will never disappear.

My brother who is a devout pacifist.... once when I bit off a little more than I could chew {picking a fight with 3 people} my brother picked up a length of pipe and waded right in... he thought they were going to kill his "kid brother" man o man he was ferocious, and I was shocked, did not think he had it in him.

InfoGeek

on Feb 03, 2005

he was ferocious, and I was shocked, did not think he had it in him.

But that is the point. It is one thing to defend a person or offer you life to save another. It is quite another for your brother to raise the pipe and with full intent strike the fatal blow.

It has nothing to do with a moral high ground. Could I defend myself and others, of course, not well, but adequate. But, could I raise and aim a gun at a person with the intent to kill?

I remember in Unforgiven, Hackman's take that it was one thing to outdraw a man, it was another to actually pull the trigger and kill them.

IG

Moderateman

on Feb 03, 2005

Reply By: InfoGeekPosted: Thursday, February 03, 2005

remember in Unforgiven, Hackman's take that it was one thing to outdraw a man, it was another to actually pull the trigger and kill them.

your right... the hard truth is we live and most never know if they can "pull the trigger"

I know if I can and would.. but then so do others..

Moderateman

on Feb 03, 2005

Reply By: InfoGeekPosted: Thursday, February 03, 2005he was ferocious, and I was shocked, did not think he had it in him.But that is the point. It is one thing to defend a person or offer you life to save another. It is quite another for your brother to raise the pipe and with full intent strike the fatal blow.

not sure, but my brother was very shaken up, and suprised that he could even hit with a pipe. He fought with a ferocity that was amazing. I think if needed {and I voiced this to him} he WOULD HAVE KILLED. He denied that, but I did notice his hands were shaking from the adreniline rush.. who knows? not me for sure, the only one that knows is the person themselves.

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